southsider2k5 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Scot Gregor @scotgregor 1h1 hour ago 2016 win totals from Atlantis sports book (Reno) are out. AL Central: Royals 87, Tigers 85, Indians 84, #WhiteSox 80.5, Twins 77.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 None of these numbers matter until Royals Review posts theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just wondering something silly - do sports books actually add things up to make sure that the total league wide wins and losses match, or do they adjust total numbers of wins based on how much people are betting on each team and just let the total number of wins float based on what people are betting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Just wondering something silly - do sports books actually add things up to make sure that the total league wide wins and losses match, or do they adjust total numbers of wins based on how much people are betting on each team and just let the total number of wins float based on what people are betting? Without knowing 100% I pretty sure the lines just move with the bets so half the money is on the over and half on the under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just wondering something silly - do sports books actually add things up to make sure that the total league wide wins and losses match, or do they adjust total numbers of wins based on how much people are betting on each team and just let the total number of wins float based on what people are betting? I doubt they add things up to make sure they average out at 81, but given the juice and the length of time the bets cover, I doubt they're off one way or the other enough to exploit that by betting the over or under on every single team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glangon Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) Scot Gregor @scotgregor 1h1 hour ago 2016 win totals from Atlantis sports book (Reno) are out. AL Central: Royals 87, Tigers 85, Indians 84, #WhiteSox 80.5, Twins 77.5 The Tigers are the most overrated team in baseball this year. 74 wins last year. According to Atlanta sports book, losing Cespedes, Price, Avila, Albaquirque, Simon, Rajai Davis, Ian Kroll, and Feliz and replacing them with Cespedes, Zimmerman, K-Rod, Justin Wilson, Mark Lowe, Saltamacchia, Mike Friggin Avila, Cameron Maybin and Mike Pelfrey That is not worth 11 wins. Cespedes is replaced like for like by Upton Zimmerman is not as good as Price Salty is not as good as Avila Pelfry and Simon are both as bad as each other Maybin is not as good as Davis (you lose speed on the bases) Lowe and Wilson are better than Al Albaquerque and Ian Kroll but then again La Roche and Leury Garcia pitched better than that pair. K-Rod is better than Feliz but not much. I would have said 3-4 wins better off due to the improved pen but not 11 wins. As for the Indians, they have them 3 wins better off, having Lindor for the season probably accounts for that. They have the Twins declining by 5.5 wins despite the emergence of Sano and Buxton They have the Royals declining by 6 wins, they believe that the loss of Cueto, Zobrist, Gallardo, Rios, Madsen and Holland. They feel that the addition of Kennedy and Soria accounts for the 6 win differential. I think that differential could be more. They have our Sox up by 4.5 wins which is possibly conservative when you think that Latos is replacing the Shark (who was awful) Frazier replaces a non-existant third base from last year and Lawrie replaces Sanchez at Second. It could be argued that that could read 82 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 QUOTE (glangon @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 02:58 AM) Cespedes is replaced like for like by Upton Zimmerman is not as good as Price Salty is not as good as Avila Pelfry and Simon are both as bad as each other Maybin is not as good as Davis (you lose speed on the bases) Lowe and Wilson are better than Al Albaquerque and Ian Kroll but then again La Roche and Leury Garcia pitched better than that pair. K-Rod is better than Feliz but not much. Agreed Agreed, but Zimmerman is still pretty good. I think James McCann will be the starting catcher. He is better than Avila. Agreed Agreed I think K-Rod is much better than Feliz Maybe not an 11 win improvement, but I think it's more than what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think that projection for the tigers assumes big bounces back by Verlander, Anibel Sanchez and VMart. Otherwide, it's hard to see them being that successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (daggins @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) I think that projection for the tigers assumes big bounces back by Verlander, Anibel Sanchez and VMart. Otherwide, it's hard to see them being that successful. Well I don't see Martinez being the worst player in baseball again. I think Sanchez was a bit flukey too, I doubt he gives up that many HR again. Overall I agree with you though, I think the Tigers are overrated, as even with Cespedes and Price last year they still weren't very good, though you still might be underrating them a bit. Personally I'd put their over/under at 82.5 wins. They're relying too much on bounce backs/healthy seasons from guys in their mid 30s who have already dealt with lots of injuries. They could be dangerous, but I could easily see them flopping again too. Edited February 12, 2016 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) i wonder if the sox sign any of the following Fa's, would the odds change. next question, if the sox were to go the trade route, i can see either jay bruce, matt kemp, andre ethier ..... as a possible trade targets. i am trying to think whom the sox can trade for that would not required many assets. i am trying to think about a conversation that was done yesterday... on what the sox may do next. ~~~ edit... i wrote 2 sentences together. Edited February 15, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 14, 2016 -> 07:02 PM) i wonder if the sox sign any of the following Fa's, would the odds change. jay bruce, matt kemp, andre ethier ..... i am trying to think whom the sox can trade for that would not required many assets. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 02:09 AM) What? made the corrections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 QUOTE (glangon @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 02:58 AM) The Tigers are the most overrated team in baseball this year. 74 wins last year. According to Atlanta sports book, losing Cespedes, Price, Avila, Albaquirque, Simon, Rajai Davis, Ian Kroll, and Feliz and replacing them with Cespedes, Zimmerman, K-Rod, Justin Wilson, Mark Lowe, Saltamacchia, Mike Friggin Avila, Cameron Maybin and Mike Pelfrey That is not worth 11 wins. Cespedes is replaced like for like by Upton Zimmerman is not as good as Price Salty is not as good as Avila Pelfry and Simon are both as bad as each other Maybin is not as good as Davis (you lose speed on the bases) Lowe and Wilson are better than Al Albaquerque and Ian Kroll but then again La Roche and Leury Garcia pitched better than that pair. K-Rod is better than Feliz but not much. I would have said 3-4 wins better off due to the improved pen but not 11 wins. As for the Indians, they have them 3 wins better off, having Lindor for the season probably accounts for that. They have the Twins declining by 5.5 wins despite the emergence of Sano and Buxton They have the Royals declining by 6 wins, they believe that the loss of Cueto, Zobrist, Gallardo, Rios, Madsen and Holland. They feel that the addition of Kennedy and Soria accounts for the 6 win differential. I think that differential could be more. They have our Sox up by 4.5 wins which is possibly conservative when you think that Latos is replacing the Shark (who was awful) Frazier replaces a non-existant third base from last year and Lawrie replaces Sanchez at Second. It could be argued that that could read 82 wins. Half of those wins are just from positive regression (progression?). That team should have won more than 74 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 03:46 AM) Half of those wins are just from positive regression (progression?). That team should have won more than 74 games. but with the way the odds are being said about the sox, i just find it hard to believe that they will not win more. i guess i am too much a fan and the hopes are out weighing the realty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Every team is flawed. KC has bad starting pitching. The Twins have bad starting pitching. Indians might have the worst OF in baseball and the Tigers are 1 bad season away from being the AL version of the Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Sporting news baseball preview magazine have us finishing dead last... and another one second to last..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 YIPPEE!!!! Sounds like 2005 all over again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Never tell me the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 QUOTE (balfanman @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) YIPPEE!!!! Sounds like 2005 all over again! oh how i wish for another 2005 season, including the end of season celebration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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