Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 @scottmerkin: Among the new list of Top 100 prospects, @CarlosRodon16 (23) and @TimAnderson7 (89) representing for the White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 No Ravelo on the White Sox top 20. Love Montas at 3 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 22m Good year, zero support for Top 20. @FutureSox: How is Rangel Ravelo not in @whitesox Top 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Blixton Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 07:32 PM) No Ravelo on the White Sox top 20. That is completely absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 beyond silly to exclude ravelo. where is the link to the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Who the f*** is over Ravelo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Here is the link.: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/new-dr...p;vkey=news_cws And the list (bottom line is they always favor athletes -- guys who can run -- over baseball players -- guys who can hit): 1. Rodon 2. Anderson. 3. Montas 4. Johnson 5. Hawkins 6. Adams. 7. Danish 8. Davidson 9. Michalczewski 10. Sanchez 11. Beck 12. May 13. Thompson (not in Ravelo's class as a hitter) 14. Engel 15. Barnum 16. Lopez 17. Zapata 18. Ortiz 19. Mitchell 20. Smith Edited July 28, 2014 by winninguglyin83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 08:47 PM) Who the f*** is over Ravelo? Andrew Mitchell and Braulio Ortiz are immediately over him, two guys who have way less of a chance of contributing at the MLB level. It's not completely positional either, they have Keon Barnum at 15. No way Barnum is a better prospect than Ravelo. Dykstra and Saladino unlucky to miss out too I would have thought. Kevan Smith arguably low at 20. Edited July 28, 2014 by Feeky Magee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The second ten is mostly a rearrange of their preseason list. I mean, Andrew Mitchell has really struggled finding the zone. If they were really looking with fresh eyes, you gotta imagine Dykstra is over Mitchell and Braulio Ortiz. Also, by next year, I bet Freundenburg, Lowry, and Jace Fry are ahead of those guys too. You don't get the sense the same amount of consultation with scouts is possible in season with these lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Calling Adolfo as Zapata, and saying 2016 is his ETA is all I need to know about this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (Timmy U @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) The second ten is mostly a rearrange of their preseason list. I mean, Andrew Mitchell has really struggled finding the zone. If they were really looking with fresh eyes, you gotta imagine Dykstra is over Mitchell and Braulio Ortiz. Also, by next year, I bet Freundenburg, Lowry, and Jace Fry are ahead of those guys too. You don't get the sense the same amount of consultation with scouts is possible in season with these lists. What do you see in Freundenburg and (particularly) Lowry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) Calling Adolfo as Zapata, and saying 2016 is his ETA is all I need to know about this list. Micker Adolfo Zapata http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?con...45&sid=milb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) Micker Adolfo Zapata http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?con...45&sid=milb http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?p...&pid=650520 David Ortiz was once David Arias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Ravelo not being in the top 20 is ridiculous and being rated below Barnum is even more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Ravelo is a serious head-scratcher. On the flip side, so is Adam Lopez. During the offseason, he didn't make anyone else's Top 20 or 25 or 30 even. A couple of us FS voters had him getting a couple low-end votes on a T30, but then we heard about the knee surgery. Now, he's missed most of the year, was already old for level, and in addition to the knee is now having "elbow problems". And he's #16? WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 07:12 AM) Ravelo is a serious head-scratcher. On the flip side, so is Adam Lopez. During the offseason, he didn't make anyone else's Top 20 or 25 or 30 even. A couple of us FS voters had him getting a couple low-end votes on a T30, but then we heard about the knee surgery. Now, he's missed most of the year, was already old for level, and in addition to the knee is now having "elbow problems". And he's #16? WTF? Seems obvious they've heavily gone off the preseason list, not wanting to have significant swings. Lopez was a bit of a wildcard in that, at #12. I mean Mitchell has gone from #18 to #19 after walking well over 20% of the batters he's faced. The only significant moves are Montas from #19 to #3 and Davidson from #2 to #8, and it took pretty dramatic performances from both, at either end of the scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Any publication that has Rodon and Adolfo arriving in the same year shouldn't be taken seriously. And since it's an MLB piece, it shouldn't be taken seriously to be begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 07:57 PM) Andrew Mitchell and Braulio Ortiz are immediately over him, two guys who have way less of a chance of contributing at the MLB level. It's not completely positional either, they have Keon Barnum at 15. No way Barnum is a better prospect than Ravelo. Dykstra and Saladino unlucky to miss out too I would have thought. Kevan Smith arguably low at 20. Mitchell has a big time arm and I wouldn't write off his ability to pitch at the big league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 07:23 AM) Any publication that has Rodon and Adolfo arriving in the same year shouldn't be taken seriously. And since it's an MLB piece, it shouldn't be taken seriously to be begin with. Yeah, that is extremely poor. The list is really poor in general, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 07:12 AM) Ravelo is a serious head-scratcher. On the flip side, so is Adam Lopez. During the offseason, he didn't make anyone else's Top 20 or 25 or 30 even. A couple of us FS voters had him getting a couple low-end votes on a T30, but then we heard about the knee surgery. Now, he's missed most of the year, was already old for level, and in addition to the knee is now having "elbow problems". And he's #16? WTF? Actually , Lopez was somewhere around #15 on Callis' offseason list. The average poster here has a better take on our system. People just like lists, apparently. Edited July 28, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) Mitchell has a big time arm and I wouldn't write off his ability to pitch at the big league level. I'm not writing him off, I'm simply saying I feel Ravelo has a much bigger chance at this moment of being a major league contributor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Ravelo is getting dinged for playing a power position and displaying a lack of power. Barnum ranks ahead of him because, for all of his faults, the kid has power that will play at 1B. Ravelo is a guy that seems to have reached his ceiling in that he is a really solid contact hitter but really offers little else in the way of tools. If he played 2B, he would be a top 5 guy, but as a 1B/DH his long term projection is as a bench bat. It is tough to see a lot of upside in Ravelo at this point, and that is what this list really reflects more than anything is their perceived ceiling of these players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Ravelo is getting dinged for playing a power position and displaying a lack of power. Barnum ranks ahead of him because, for all of his faults, the kid has power that will play at 1B. Ravelo is a guy that seems to have reached his ceiling in that he is a really solid contact hitter but really offers little else in the way of tools. If he played 2B, he would be a top 5 guy, but as a 1B/DH his long term projection is as a bench bat. It is tough to see a lot of upside in Ravelo at this point, and that is what this list really reflects more than anything is their perceived ceiling of these players. His position is a HUGE problem for Ravelo. He has zero chance at making the major league roster as a 1B. If he can't play somewhere else, he is the classic "blocked" player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:02 AM) Ravelo is getting dinged for playing a power position and displaying a lack of power. Barnum ranks ahead of him because, for all of his faults, the kid has power that will play at 1B. Ravelo is a guy that seems to have reached his ceiling in that he is a really solid contact hitter but really offers little else in the way of tools. If he played 2B, he would be a top 5 guy, but as a 1B/DH his long term projection is as a bench bat. It is tough to see a lot of upside in Ravelo at this point, and that is what this list really reflects more than anything is their perceived ceiling of these players. In a new era of pitching dominance, many scouts are severely undervaluing the hit tool, imo. The Sox play in a league with a DH, and both of ours are departing shortly. To somewhat paraphrase the original Robocop. , "Good offense is where you find it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:02 AM) Ravelo is getting dinged for playing a power position and displaying a lack of power. Barnum ranks ahead of him because, for all of his faults, the kid has power that will play at 1B. Ravelo is a guy that seems to have reached his ceiling in that he is a really solid contact hitter but really offers little else in the way of tools. If he played 2B, he would be a top 5 guy, but as a 1B/DH his long term projection is as a bench bat. It is tough to see a lot of upside in Ravelo at this point, and that is what this list really reflects more than anything is their perceived ceiling of these players. Aside from the fact that Ravelo nearly matched Barnum's ISO last year and has a bigger one this year (.146 to .127), even if Barnum hit for more power but with a worse wRC+ in the majors, how does that make him more valuable than Ravelo? I get that people want power from certain positions, but I'm taking the .290/.380/.450 1B over the .250/.310/.500 guy, and even then in my opinion Ravelo's more likely to produce the former line than Barnum the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.