BFirebird Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I am not sure where Jim Bowden pulled this from....but he obviously doesn't think having possibly 5 lefty starters in a few years isn't a big deal. :-) I won't post his explanation since it is an insider article, but here is his trade idea for Price: The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price. He lists this as his 3rd idea. Others: LAA: C.J. Cron and Alex Yarbrough for Price. TOR: Aaron Sanchez and Alberto Tirado for Price. NYY: Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino and Peter O'Brien for Price. ATL: Alex Wood, Lucas Sims and a pitching prospect for Price. Not sure if TB would want Johnson and Beck. Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-of...ce?refresh=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (BFirebird @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) I am not sure where Jim Bowden pulled this from....but he obviously doesn't think having possibly 5 lefty starters in a few years isn't a big deal. :-) I won't post his explanation since it is an insider article, but here is his trade idea for Price: The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price. He lists this as his 3rd idea. Others: LAA: C.J. Cron and Alex Yarbrough for Price. TOR: Aaron Sanchez and Alberto Tirado for Price. NYY: Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino and Peter O'Brien for Price. ATL: Alex Wood, Lucas Sims and a pitching prospect for Price. Not sure if TB would want Johnson and Beck. Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-of...ce?refresh=true This is discussed in the trade winds thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Price is a free agent in 2016, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Price is a free agent in 2016, right? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I don't think that gets the deal done in the first place, and I don't think we even want Price given that (1) we wouldn't likely be able to extend him and (2) I'm not sure i Want to extend him anyway, given how his velocity has already fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I would give up Micah, Erik, and Chris Beck without batting an eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 David Price could be a free agent after this season and I'd still do that deal. Bowden is on drugs if he thinks TB would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) David Price could be a free agent after this season and I'd still do that deal. Bowden is on drugs if he thinks TB would do that. Hell, I'd give that up for Samardjiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think that would end the era of the Rays as a smart organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) This is discussed in the trade winds thread. Oh...sorry about that. Can close if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) I think that would end the era of the Rays as a smart organization. All that piece does is cement Jim Bowden's era as a terrible writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Both the Padres & DBacks could be looking at major internal changes. If one of Byrnes/Towers goes, given how much we LOVE to deal with those two franchises, I propose the hiring of Jim Bowden to fill that vacancy. That would be so awesome for us I swear I'd cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Oh also yes I would trade Micah Johnson, Beck, and a bag of balls for David Price. That would be a very nice deal for us and also 4 other teams in the AL East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 To be honest, I'd almost rather just try and sign James Shields next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) Oh also yes I would trade Micah Johnson, Beck, and a bag of balls for David Price. That would be a very nice deal for us and also 4 other teams in the AL East. Why would that be a good deal unless we were getting a negotiation window to ensure a long-term contract extension, like the Garcia move in 2004? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Why would that be a good deal unless we were getting a negotiation window to ensure a long-term contract extension, like the Garcia move in 2004? We could get more than that in the offseason, silly. Would you purchase a big time asset at 50% of its value to turn around and sell to the highest bidder 5 months later? Umm, yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 12:02 PM) We could get more than that in the offseason, silly. Would you purchase a big time asset at 50% of its value to turn around and sell to the highest bidder 5 months later? Umm, yes.... I really don't see proof that this is the case. In the last few years, prospects have become so overvalued that these kind of deals have become more and more rare. And I don't know how many of you have been watching lately, but besides being a horse, David Price hasn't been all that outstanding over the last 18 months or so (he was great in the second half of last year, to his credit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) We could get more than that in the offseason, silly. Would you purchase a big time asset at 50% of its value to turn around and sell to the highest bidder 5 months later? Umm, yes.... TB is not trading him for 1/2 his value. This team is not contending this year with or without Shields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 TBH this does kind of sound like a Sweaty Freddy type deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 01:02 PM) We could get more than that in the offseason, silly. Would you purchase a big time asset at 50% of its value to turn around and sell to the highest bidder 5 months later? Umm, yes.... They're not going to trade Price for that package anyway, so forget it. Remember, they have to replace Ben Zobrist, potentially. If you combined Leury, Carlos Sanchez, Micah Johnson and Semien into one player, you would have the value (of one Zobrist), but we don't unfortunately don't have the option of doing that. The likes of Micah Johnson and Beck as the centerpiece of a trade...not happening. Now if it's Tim Anderson being offered, Andrew Friedman will start to consider it, depending on the 2nd and 3rd pieces. Friedman, in the end, doesn't become one of the top 2-3 GM's in baseball by making stupid trades. He knows exactly what he wants for Price. Edited June 19, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) TB is not trading him for 1/2 his value. Obviously. The point is, if someone offers Hahn a stupid deal that favors the Sox he should make it. TB is not going to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I only trade for Price if we can extend him. Although we could likely get something good next year if we had him and dealt him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) I only trade for Price if we can extend him. Although we could likely get something good next year if we had him and dealt him I'm not sure Hahn wants to go down that route, because you run the risk of him being so good and the team being in contention next year...so the fanbase would go crazy if you missed the shot at the playoffs, but equally hold it against Reinsdorf for dealing him at the same time. It's kind of a no-win situation, where it can end up like Edwin Jackson being dumped for less than value or you are forced to hold onto him and be "all in" like Dayton Moore and the Royals essentially are with James Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) They're not going to trade Price for that package anyway, so forget it. Remember, they have to replace Ben Zobrist, potentially. If you combined Leury, Carlos Sanchez, Micah Johnson and Semien into one player, you would have the value (of one Zobrist), but we don't unfortunately don't have the option of doing that. The likes of Micah Johnson and Beck as the centerpiece of a trade...not happening. Now if it's Tim Anderson being offered, Friedman will start to consider it, depending on the 2nd and 3rd pieces. Friedman, in the end, doesn't become one of the top 2-3 GM's in baseball by making stupid trades. He knows exactly what he wants for Price. If you combined Micah's offensive game with Leury's defensive profile you'd have one of the more exciting prospects in all of baseball and a player with a lot more overall ability than Ben Zobrist has ever had. We'd have a true lead-off hitting high defensive value starting SS, i.e. more like a young Jimmy Rollins or something, not Zobrist. I think you are vastly underrating Micah Johnson and really so is the rest of this board. But still, for David Price? Yes I do that, and I flip Price later, and no, that isn't happening because Jim Bowden doesn't run a baseball team anymore. Now re: a Micah trade, if you're bringing in someone's top prospect RHSP or something like that, someone who the Sox feel has the ability to step into the rotation as a September callup ala Erik Johnson last year but with a much higher ceiling than Johnson, then sure, think about trading Micah then. But you'd need something back that made sense and it would have to be a good player. Micah seems to be the antithesis of the low baseball IQ K machine me first swing-and-miss BustOMania s***spects we've amassed over the years. This guy actually looks like he has the floor of a Major League player. His ceiling is a long-term option and true lead-off type. You don't give him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 04:06 PM) I'm not sure Hahn wants to go down that route, because you run the risk of him being so good and the team being in contention next year...so the fanbase would go crazy if you missed the shot at the playoffs, but equally hold it against Reinsdorf for dealing him at the same time. It's kind of a no-win situation, where it can end up like Edwin Jackson being dumped for less than value or you are forced to hold onto him and be "all in" like Dayton Moore and the Royals essentially are with James Shields. We got excellent value for Edwin Jackson. The only problem was that Stewart busted. If you look at the Reed trade a year from now you might say we dumped Reed off on AZ for a bag of balls, but really we got really good value at the time. The Royals are just stupid. They aren't "forced" to hang onto anyone. They brought in Shields and Ervin Santana, signed Guthrie, and really haven't done s*** since then. They gave a bunch of money to Omar Infante and Jason Vargas, oh wow big money players those guys are. They're a lucky team right now but they've botched their opportunities 2 straight years now. Chances are their division hopes are gone first week of September and they're a couple games from the wildcard when it's all over. Then Shields leaves, and they'll be thinking about dumping Billy Butler and "rebuilding" again because they are a franchise full of quitters and losers too stupid and afraid to make a big play for the playoffs, and also their owner is a clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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