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Hold unless someone wants to pay up. Make him the closer once Robertson goes, and if he performs well, you can trade him in the offseason, or continue to hold.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:19 AM)
I think Kahnle could net a top 50 prospect and 2 fliers

 

Doubtful that any club offers up a top 50 prospect considering how short his track record of success is. I'd certainly be willing to listen, but unless the return was hefty I would rather give Kahnle the shot as closing after we deal Robertson. If Kahnle keeps this up his value could skyrocket if he can be a capable closer.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:19 AM)
I think Kahnle could net a top 50 prospect and 2 fliers

And we should probably take that offer as long one of those two fliers is actually a quality prospect and not just a lottery ticket. The one thing that gives me optimism for a quality return being available is that Kahnle can be a postseason weapon unlike most relievers that should be on the market, which basically allows for all teams to have interest, even ones with deep bullpens. All it takes is one GM thinking he's getting a potential Chapman/Miller type weapon on the cheap.

 

And BTW, great article Y2Jimmy. I think you pretty much hit everything on the head.

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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:39 AM)
Tough call. Track record hasn't been good. Is this a fluke? Since the Sox aren't going to be contending in my opinion for another two years if someone makes a reasonable offer you move him.

 

I agree with you, but what is a reasonable return for Kahnle? He's pitching extremely well and is under inexpensive control until 2021. I'd want more for him that I would for Robertson.

 

If a solid offer were made I would deal Kahnle, but it's not easy to determine what he's worth.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:19 AM)
I think Kahnle could net a top 50 prospect and 2 fliers

 

I think if we could get legit top 50 prospect on the offensive side, plus another interesting guy or two that may fit in towards the back of our T30, you do it all day. A guy like Verdugo (LAD), Isan Diaz (MIL), Willy Calhoun (LAD), Derek Fischer (HOU) or Delvin Perez (STL) would be a huge win for Kahnle. Unfortunately, I have a really hard time seeing those guys getting moved for Kahnle.

 

My guess is he becomes our closer to August, and if he performs well, Hahn will look to trade him in the winter, and give Jones the closer role for next year.

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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:39 AM)
Tough call. Track record hasn't been good. Is this a fluke? Since the Sox aren't going to be contending in my opinion for another two years if someone makes a reasonable offer you move him.

 

The Tyler Thornburg deal is the most recent somewhat comparable trade of a reliever like Kahnle. I'm sure the Red Sox wish the had that trade back as Shaw has been outstanding.

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I think most people here severely overvalue what Kahnle could fetch in a trade. Give his short track record, his complete anonymity and the general volatility of relief pitchers, I would be shocked if the Sox got a single top 50 guy for him, let alone a package built around one.

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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:39 AM)
Tough call. Track record hasn't been good. Is this a fluke? Since the Sox aren't going to be contending in my opinion for another two years if someone makes a reasonable offer you move him.

 

 

There are some reasons in the article why it might not be a fluke though. Was really good in minors, made some mechanical adjustments and has ridiculous stuff.

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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:57 AM)
I think if we could get legit top 50 prospect on the offensive side, plus another interesting guy or two that may fit in towards the back of our T30, you do it all day. A guy like Verdugo (LAD), Isan Diaz (MIL), Willy Calhoun (LAD), Derek Fischer (HOU) or Delvin Perez (STL) would be a huge win for Kahnle. Unfortunately, I have a really hard time seeing those guys getting moved for Kahnle.

 

My guess is he becomes our closer to August, and if he performs well, Hahn will look to trade him in the winter, and give Jones the closer role for next year.

 

Don't be surprised to see teams that have been quiet up until now make big splashes at the deadline to aid a world series push. I fully expect the Astros, Nationals, Cubs, etc. to make significant additions like the Indians and Cubs did last season.

 

 

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QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:26 PM)
I think most people here severely overvalue what Kahnle could fetch in a trade. Give his short track record, his complete anonymity and the general volatility of relief pitchers, I would be shocked if the Sox got a single top 50 guy for him, let alone a package built around one.

 

 

I think you just keep him then and let him close.

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QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:26 PM)
I think most people here severely overvalue what Kahnle could fetch in a trade. Give his short track record, his complete anonymity and the general volatility of relief pitchers, I would be shocked if the Sox got a single top 50 guy for him, let alone a package built around one.

 

I think expecting a top 50 prospect for Kahnle is nuts given exactly what you just mentioned.

 

I would not deal him for less than a top 50-100 esque prospect plus 1-2 more solid pieces.

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I don't think he will get a ton back given his short track record of success . That said, I would probably lean towards keeping him. But if adding him in to a Robertson or Quintana deal puts a package over the top, where the other team would have said no otherwise- then go ahead and include him.

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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 10:58 AM)
The Tyler Thornburg deal is the most recent somewhat comparable trade of a reliever like Kahnle. I'm sure the Red Sox wish the had that trade back as Shaw has been outstanding.

 

Reliever ERA and other counting stats are certainly quite volatile, because they pitch in small sample sizes. I'm not sure I agree that their underlying K%/BB%/FIP/SIERRA, etc. are that volatile. And that's what teams will judge him on.

 

He's not some random guy with a decent fastball doing this. He has a filthy FB/changeup combination and the increase in command with his mechanics changes has been astronomical.

 

 

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QUOTE (Username @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:37 PM)
Reliever ERA and other counting stats are certainly quite volatile, because they pitch in small sample sizes. I'm not sure I agree that their underlying K%/BB%/FIP/SIERRA, etc. are that volatile. And that's what teams will judge him on.

 

He's not some random guy with a decent fastball doing this. He has a filthy FB/changeup combination and the increase in command with his mechanics changes has been astronomical.

 

Kahnle's issue will be track record. I'm not suggesting that he is a fluke or anything, but he certainly is not Chapman or Miller either. I think we end up keeping him, because if he continues to produce he could have terrific trade value at the deadline next year.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:39 PM)
Kahnle is probably the least likely guy who is currently on the 25 man roster and not a rookie, to get traded.

 

TA, Abreu and Rodon are far less likely to get moved IMO. But I agree that he's among the least likely to be moved.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:52 PM)
You'd likely get more for them separately and Robles is off the table for either guy.

 

I'd move them both for Soto, too. But honestly, Soto might be every bit as untouchable as Robles is.

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QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:01 PM)
I'd move them both for Soto, too. But honestly, Soto might be every bit as untouchable as Robles is.

 

I would not trade both Robertson and Kahnle for just Soto. Kahnle on his own should net the Sox a player along the lines of Soto with how well he has pitched this season.

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