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DBAHO
post Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:25 AM
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Looks like Willie's gonna play 2B unless we sign sum1 else.
frustrated Roberto Alomar all but said farewell to the White Sox on Friday.

After hearing the Sox had lowered their latest offer $1 million, the 12-time All-Star took it as a sign that he no longer is wanted on the South Side.

"I want to stay in Chicago," Alomar said from his hotel room in Tokyo, where he is vacationing. "I love the team and the fans. My brother [Sandy Jr.] is there and I'd love to get my 3,000th hit there. But you want to play where they give you the respect you're looking for."

All along, sources said Alomar sought a two-year deal worth $6 million, a seemingly reasonable sum for a 35-year-old future Hall of Famer who was paid $8 million last season.

But early Friday, the Sox's best offer was $1 million plus $2 million deferred (over an unspecified period) without interest, lowering the actual value to perhaps $2.5 million.

Later in the day, Sox general manager Ken Williams told Alomar's agent, Jaime Torres, that the Sox were lowering their offer to $1 million plus $1 million deferred for 2004.

"It's important to understand that an offer is only an offer until you reject it," Williams said. "Then it's off the table. If a player wants to revisit it after one week, two weeks or a month, circumstances can change dramatically—sometimes it's in your favor, sometimes not.

"Just because they don't understand that, it's not my problem. I have some other things going on. There are other possibilities out there."

Williams' reduced offer to Alomar could be a sign the general manager thinks he still has a chance to sign ace right-hander Bartolo Colon, despite Anaheim's reported four-year, $48 million offer.

"I don't want this to come down as I'm trying to get Robbie on the cheap or that I'm disrespecting him," Williams said. "It's truly a case where that's all we can offer because I'm trying to put this team together in its entirety.

"If I didn't respect Robbie Alomar, I wouldn't have called him in Puerto Rico [in October] to ask his opinion on some of the managerial candidates."

There's another issue.

Both Williams and Alomar said they informally agreed to a one-year, $3 million extension during a discussion on Aug. 30.

The Sox were in Detroit that day and Alomar had to miss the game because he had the flu. Williams was also under the weather, and when he went to the clubhouse to get some medicine, he began discussing with Alomar ways that Hall of Fame athletes have extended their careers.

"We talked about Rickey Henderson and Jerry Rice; it was a very casual conversation," Williams said. "He expressed a desire to want to stay [with the Sox]. I'm a straightforward person: I said, 'Let's play the year out. This is not the time to talk about it.' I told him I wouldn't be able to match what he was making ($8 million).

"He said, 'Well, it's not going to take that. What about half ($4 million)?'

"Then he threw out another number ($3 million) and said, 'Yeah, I'm serious. Call Jaime. Get it done.'

"I did [call him] and it didn't [get done]—end of story."

Alomar recalled it differently, saying it was Williams who pushed the one-year, $3 million proposal.

"He said: 'What do you think about that?'" Alomar recalled. "I said, 'Let me talk to my agent.' I let my agent take care of my business, that's what you pay your agent for."

Alomar said it was "unprofessional" of Williams to try to pin him down on a contract extension while he was sick and his agent was not present.

Said Torres: "It doesn't make sense for a player of Robbie's caliber and experience to agree to something without consulting with his attorney. I've represented Robbie for 12 years. He always runs stuff by me."

When Torres and Williams spoke late in the season, Torres said the $3 million offer came with a hitch—$2 million would be deferred without interest.

As for Williams' unorthodox strategy of discussing the contract extension with Alomar, Torres said: "Hopefully he won't be successful doing that with any of my clients."

Williams defended that practice, acknowledging he discussed a two-year extension with Tom Gordon, who later signed with the Yankees.

"In couple of rare instances, I have done that," Williams said. "I have done that and I have immediately followed it with a phone call to the agent to let him know about the conversation.

"But it has never been initiated from this angle. You'd be surprised by all the things players say: 'Hey, Kenny, I need this or I need that. When are you going to call my agent?' Half the time they're joking around.

"But I love the communication with the players. They're our employees. And, hey, if we don't have the right to talk to our employees, what [rights] do we have?"

Williams also has the right to cut ties with Alomar and hand the second-base job to the talented but unproven Willie Harris, who started just seven games at second base last season.

"Willie's going to be a player, man," Williams said. "I know sometimes fans and people want a guarantee. We heard that when we brought up the kid with the funny name (Magglio Ordonez) and put him in right field.

"They said, 'C'mon, that's not a big-league name!' And now it's a chant [at the ballpark] and I'm criminal No. 1 if I trade the guy."

Alomar, meanwhile, is ready to move on to his seventh team—and fourth in the last three years.

"I'm the one who always talked about Ozzie [Guillen] and wanting to play for him," Alomar said. "But sometimes things are not meant to be."

Torres said five teams have inquired about signing Alomar, including the Yankees and Cardinals.

Said Alomar of the Sox: "Hopefully both of us made the right choice."
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spataro51
post Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:06 AM
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your right tony, i feel sorry for kenny also. It isn't his fault he has to put a competitive team out there with such a limited amount he can spend. The problem is Jerry needs to sell this fricken team to some one that will spend some money to get us where we need to be. Kenny williams is the right man for the gm he knows how to get players here and the only prob is he has little or no money to work with. Kenny will be creative like he always has. I believe that kenny lowered his offer to alomar yesterday because I think colon will be here. Lets hope!
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- DBAH0   Goddbye Robbie Alomar   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:25 AM
- - The Critic   QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 6 2003, 07:25 AM)"I want to...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:47 AM
- - Texsox   Williams said. "I know sometimes fans and people w...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 08:39 AM
- - JDsDirtySox   QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 6 2003, 08:39 AM)Williams ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 09:15 AM
- - Tony82087   QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 6 2003, 01:25 PM)"I don't w...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 09:51 AM
- - southsider2k5   QUOTE(tony82087 @ Dec 6 2003, 09:51 AM)Almost...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:02 AM
- - Texsox   At some point he's probably budgeting by position ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:04 AM
- - Tony82087   QUOTE(southsider2k4 @ Dec 6 2003, 04:02 PM)I ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:05 AM
- - spataro51   your right tony, i feel sorry for kenny also. It i...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:06 AM
- - cwsox   QUOTE(southsider2k4 @ Dec 6 2003, 11:02 AM)I ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:10 AM
- - quickman   Well, I think this sucks. Your basically 1 million...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:13 AM
- - southsider2k5   QUOTE(tony82087 @ Dec 6 2003, 10:05 AM)I tota...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:13 AM
- - SnB   I would have liked to see robbie back, but you can...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:25 AM
- - Soxfest   Kw gets tight with money on RA which is fine, but ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:27 AM
- - winninguglyin83   excellent point. the difference? the Sox had Har...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 10:33 AM
- - Tony82087   QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 6 2003, 04:27 PM)Kw gets ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 11:57 AM
- - Molto   the difference is there was only one way to keep V...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 12:18 PM
- - Spiff   Ugh Willie Harris. Also known as Julio Ramirez II...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 12:50 PM
- - Jim Fainter   Three facts about Robbie: 1. Willie Harris is a ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:11 PM
- - Bighurt52235   QUOTE(Jim Fainter @ Dec 6 2003, 07:11 PM)Thre...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:22 PM
- - quickman   QUOTE(tony82087 @ Dec 6 2003, 05:57 PM)That i...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:31 PM
- - Jim Fainter   Uh, speed, lot's of it. The mother f***er hit clo...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:35 PM
- - Bighurt52235   QUOTE(Jim Fainter @ Dec 6 2003, 07:35 PM)Uh, ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:43 PM
- - quickman   QUOTE(Bighurt52235 @ Dec 6 2003, 07:43 PM)Rob...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:55 PM
- - FUCKREINSDORF   QUOTE(southsider2k4 @ Dec 6 2003, 04:02 PM)I ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:55 PM
- - quickman   QUOTE(Jim Fainter @ Dec 6 2003, 07:35 PM)Uh, ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 01:58 PM
- - forkit   I love Robbie. I'd like to have him back at the ri...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:00 PM
- - Chisoxfn   Good Riddance Robbie. He was over-rated in his st...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:06 PM
- - quickman   QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 6 2003, 08:06 PM)Good Ri...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:16 PM
- - ChiSoxFan   I don't know what it is about both of Reinsdorf's ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:18 PM
- - Chisoxfn   QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 6 2003, 12:16 PM)This is...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:19 PM
- - Rex Hudler   QUOTEThe mother f***er hit close to .400 in AAA. ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:35 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTE(spataro51 @ Dec 6 2003, 04:06 PM)your r...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 02:49 PM
- - GASHWOUND   Jeez, are we gonna sign or re-sign anyone to make ...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 03:04 PM
- - Jim Fainter   Rex, you're right -- 28 games is too small a sampl...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 04:40 PM
- - quickman   QUOTE(BrandoFan @ Dec 6 2003, 08:49 PM)You go...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 04:54 PM
- - greasywheels121   QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 6 2003, 02:06 PM)Good Ri...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 05:37 PM
- - Bighurt52235   QUOTE(BrandoFan @ Dec 6 2003, 08:49 PM)Did he...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 06:52 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTE(Bighurt52235 @ Dec 7 2003, 12:52 AM)I c...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:04 PM
- - Bighurt52235   QUOTE(BrandoFan @ Dec 7 2003, 01:04 AM)If cou...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:10 PM
- - SuperSteve   QUOTE(Bighurt52235 @ Dec 6 2003, 08:10 PM)Yes...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:16 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTE(Bighurt52235 @ Dec 7 2003, 01:10 AM)Yes...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:17 PM
- - Bighurt52235   I don't mean to make it a big deal, just wasn't s...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:19 PM
- - Soxfest   Harris is NOT an everyday 2nd baseman.   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:23 PM
- - NUKE_CLEVELAND   QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Dec 6 2003, 10:15 AM)I li...   Dec 6, 2003 -> 07:42 PM
- - YASNY   QUOTE(BrandoFan @ Dec 6 2003, 07:04 PM)If cou...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 06:56 AM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 7 2003, 12:56 PM)Actually, ...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 12:01 PM
- - Molto   Just because a guy hasn't proven himself doesn't m...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 12:29 PM
- - Jim Fainter   My thoughts exactly, Molto. I think Harris can be...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 12:46 PM
- - SnB   Very nice point molto   Dec 7, 2003 -> 01:06 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTEJust because a guy hasn't proven himself ...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 01:11 PM
- - Molto   first off, stop looking at the numbers, because if...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 03:02 PM
- - YASNY   QUOTE(BrandoFan @ Dec 7 2003, 12:01 PM)See, I...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 03:40 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTEfirst off, stop looking at the numbers, becau...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 03:56 PM
- - quickman   Since I contributed to this ongoing thread I just ...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 05:15 PM
- - winninguglyin83   Robbie's numbers have been in decline for three ye...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 05:23 PM
- - Molto   I agree, winning. that applies to all deals the S...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 07:20 PM
- - Soxfest   W. Harris is NOT a very good defensive 2nd baseman...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 07:31 PM
- - israel4ever   Don't forget...Kenny Williams is Jerry Reinsdo...   Dec 7, 2003 -> 07:44 PM
- - BrandoFan   QUOTERobbie's numbers have been in decline for...   Dec 8, 2003 -> 12:28 AM


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