Reasons on Not Signing any Long Term FAs

[LDF]

i been wanting and waiting for the right time. i am also not here to talk about the monetary ability of the owners of the sox team to add majorly to the team's payroll and budget.

 

i am not for signing any of the remaining FA's b/c that will really put this team and screw up the ability to maneuver with in the realm of adding necessary pieces in the future b/c the team may be burden with contracts that can not be easily dispose of. the only recourse, if any further additions are needed is to get a short term contract for a pitcher, no more than 2 yrs in duration. this farm system is ready to start producing important pieces, hopefully to help the team, if all projections develop as hoped.

 

this team can lead the fans of chicago back to the winner circle of the world series, i believe the sox now have the right person at the helm. the system has some really good prospect at the top and may have promising prospect in the 3 rd tier developing.

 

so the precious salary budget, cannot be stretch to anything more than 2 yrs. now lets look at Philly, Dodgers, Bos and etc... they had salary problems b/c they invested and invested for yrs, not allowing players to be replace thru attrition. if they had a nucleus, it needed to be able to correct itself to continue to maintain. look at the dodgers last yr, with 4 outfielders. they had to buy and pay other teams to take those cumbersome contracts that i am talking about..... one more, lets look at Wash, 4-5 fa next yr and not having the ability to sign them all. that is a huge turn around of establish players.

 

that is why i am and have been lecturing on short term players. money not with standing for this post.

 

peace.

[caulfield12]

i been wanting and waiting for the right time. i am also not here to talk about the monetary ability of the owners of the sox team to add majorly to the team's payroll and budget.

 

i am not for signing any of the remaining FA's b/c that will really put this team and screw up the ability to maneuver with in the realm of adding necessary pieces in the future b/c the team may be burden with contracts that can not be easily dispose of. the only recourse, if any further additions are needed is to get a short term contract for a pitcher, no more than 2 yrs in duration. this farm system is ready to start producing important pieces, hopefully to help the team, if all projections develop as hoped.

 

this team can lead the fans of chicago back to the winner circle of the world series, i believe the sox now have the right person at the helm. the system has some really good prospect at the top and may have promising prospect in the 3 rd tier developing.

 

so the precious salary budget, cannot be stretch to anything more than 2 yrs. now lets look at Philly, Dodgers, Bos and etc... they had salary problems b/c they invested and invested for yrs, not allowing players to be replace thru attrition. if they had a nucleus, it needed to be able to correct itself to continue to maintain. look at the dodgers last yr, with 4 outfielders. they had to buy and pay other teams to take those cumbersome contracts that i am talking about..... one more, lets look at Wash, 4-5 fa next yr and not having the ability to sign them all. that is a huge turn around of establish players.

 

that is why i am and have been lecturing on short term players. money not with standing for this post.

 

peace.

 

That's exactly why Boston was able to rebound so quickly to win a World Series. They ditched most of their long-term players over a 2-3 year period and invested in relatively shorter-term contracts for guys like Victorino, Napoli, Tanaka, Gomes. The three hitters, in particularly, were notorious lefty killers.

 

It worked, for at least one year, when their pitching came around to match the hitting.

[Balta1701]

Know what I don't like about posts like this? It doesn't attach names.

 

People are talking about still adding pitching, but the only big name on the market is James Shields. James Shields doens't fit your description at all. Name someone who does. Last one I saw you throw out was Ryan Vogelsong, but he put up #s that were pretty much comparable to Danks last year while being older than him.

 

We could use an upgrade at 3b. The remaining 3b are Alexei Casilla who spent last eyar in AAA at age 30 and Ramon Santiago who was 35 and put up much worse #s than Gillaspie.

 

Etc.

[LDF]

i am just trying to be nice from now until spring training. the non confrontational type. i just want to be friends with everyone. pls let me keep this neutral.

[Balta1701]

i am just trying to be nice from now until spring training. the non confrontational type. i just want to be friends with everyone. pls let me keep this neutral.

You've got a take. Honestly, it's not a bad take. If the White Sox can find a piece that fits which also doesn't hamstring them for more than 1-2 years, it does make sense. They put a ton on the line this year, to the point where I think they should have gone even more all-in considering the Shark trade, but I get why they didn't.

 

All I ask is, give names that make sense and I'll think about them.

[LDF]

You've got a take. Honestly, it's not a bad take. If the White Sox can find a piece that fits which also doesn't hamstring them for more than 1-2 years, it does make sense. They put a ton on the line this year, to the point where I think they should have gone even more all-in considering the Shark trade, but I get why they didn't.

 

All I ask is, give names that make sense and I'll think about them.

 

the problem i have in all honesty, beside getting a short term pitcher is in the infield. i do not think running Sanchez out there with his lack of hitting, may be the right choice. so how can the sox address that, trade, free agent.... i think free agent may be the only choice. so if the sox get a option that is better than Sanchez, maybe weeks, he would want more yrs in a contract.

 

now look at the beginning of the off season threads.... i have been on Emilio Bonifacio for 2 reasons. to play 2b and if needed play cf if Eaton gets hurt, then moving Sanchez to 2b. well for backup, this is all a new subject. i was talking about improving the team. backup, i wouldn't be surprise if the sox threw M Johnson there and have Sanchez as backup. that is my suspicion.

 

the same thing with the outfield. i do not think the sox will look hard outside the org for that backup.

 

pitching is the sore subject with me. i just leave it at that.

[Reddy]

the problem i have in all honesty, beside getting a short term pitcher is in the infield. i do not think running Sanchez out there with his lack of hitting, may be the right choice. so how can the sox address that, trade, free agent.... i think free agent may be the only choice. so if the sox get a option that is better than Sanchez, maybe weeks, he would want more yrs in a contract.

 

now look at the beginning of the off season threads.... i have been on Emilio Bonifacio for 2 reasons. to play 2b and if needed play cf if Eaton gets hurt, then moving Sanchez to 2b. well for backup, this is all a new subject. i was talking about improving the team. backup, i wouldn't be surprise if the sox threw M Johnson there and have Sanchez as backup. that is my suspicion.

 

the same thing with the outfield. i do not think the sox will look hard outside the org for that backup.

 

pitching is the sore subject with me. i just leave it at that.

 

so... where are the names?

[LDF]

so... where are the names?

 

this is the best i am going to do for now. part of this was to explain why i wasn't interested in long term players, what ever the positions.

 

sp pitcher is a good area, but short term via free agents may not be as much or not better than a normal #4/3 pitcher.

 

but with names of pos trades, wash has 4 cincy has 1 philly has 1 just look. now for those players, whomever they are, it is going to take prospects to trade. keep them short term or not, QD and get a draft pick.

 

go the FA rt, with what has been pick over the last couple of days, some of those players will want at least 3 yrs. too much, giver the state of the system ready to produce. 1 yr yes 2 maybe 3.... nah.

[Reddy]

this is the best i am going to do for now. part of this was to explain why i wasn't interested in long term players, what ever the positions.

 

sp pitcher is a good area, but short term via free agents may not be as much or not better than a normal #4/3 pitcher.

 

but with names of pos trades, wash has 4 cincy has 1 philly has 1 just look. now for those players, whomever they are, it is going to take prospects to trade. keep them short term or not, QD and get a draft pick.

 

go the FA rt, with what has been pick over the last couple of days, some of those players will want at least 3 yrs. too much, giver the state of the system ready to produce. 1 yr yes 2 maybe 3.... nah.

 

sigh... if there is a viable way to upgrade our rotation further without dealing every prospect we have or not putting us ridiculously over budget, I'm sure Hahn has looked into it. After the offseason we've had, how can you not have faith that if a deal was out there to be done, he'd get it done? I just doubt one exists with the chips we're willing to part with at this point.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Reddy

[Jerksticks]

I think this is all proof that SP can't really be helped through FA any more this offseason. I think we'll see a mid-season move like some have alluded to. I think the Sox brass sees April-July as an evaluation period because we don't know if this new roster will gel into a contender yet. Plenty of time.

 

The bonus of waiting is that some of our A ball guys might make some pushes to give us more trade ammo.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

i been wanting and waiting for the right time. i am also not here to talk about the monetary ability of the owners of the sox team to add majorly to the team's payroll and budget.

 

i am not for signing any of the remaining FA's b/c that will really put this team and screw up the ability to maneuver with in the realm of adding necessary pieces in the future b/c the team may be burden with contracts that can not be easily dispose of. the only recourse, if any further additions are needed is to get a short term contract for a pitcher, no more than 2 yrs in duration. this farm system is ready to start producing important pieces, hopefully to help the team, if all projections develop as hoped.

 

this team can lead the fans of chicago back to the winner circle of the world series, i believe the sox now have the right person at the helm. the system has some really good prospect at the top and may have promising prospect in the 3 rd tier developing.

 

so the precious salary budget, cannot be stretch to anything more than 2 yrs. now lets look at Philly, Dodgers, Bos and etc... they had salary problems b/c they invested and invested for yrs, not allowing players to be replace thru attrition. if they had a nucleus, it needed to be able to correct itself to continue to maintain. look at the dodgers last yr, with 4 outfielders. they had to buy and pay other teams to take those cumbersome contracts that i am talking about..... one more, lets look at Wash, 4-5 fa next yr and not having the ability to sign them all. that is a huge turn around of establish players.

 

that is why i am and have been lecturing on short term players. money not with standing for this post.

 

peace.

 

I'd be shocked if the Sox signed anyone left out in free agency other than one or two additional minor league guys or a waiver claim. IMO, the only "big" move would be them moving Viciedo, and that's looking less and less likely the closer to ST we get. All the moves the Sox made this offseason doesn't really wreck the future or overburden the organization in terms of contracts. I think Hahn has done an amazing job in plugging up holes and still keeping a solid plan for the next few years as the top prospects develop. Personally, I think a lot depends on guys like Anderson and Rodon coming on strong and fast. If both of them hit their potentials within the next few years, than the Sox are going to be in good shape. This organization really needs to start developing some bats or these short term deals won't really matter much.

[LDF]

sigh... if there is a viable way to upgrade our rotation further without dealing every prospect we have or not putting us ridiculously over budget, I'm sure Hahn has looked into it. After the offseason we've had, how can you not have faith that if a deal was out there to be done, he'd get it done? I just doubt one exists with the chips we're willing to part with at this point.

 

what is a numerical number that you would use to say over budget. budget is another word that is misleading in this scope, b/c JR is the one who comes uip with that number. yet according to the FO, they don't have the money. they do.

 

second JR has said he was a fan of the Brooklyn Dodgers and is a baseball fan. most fans have said put a team on the field to win. JR, as owner has only put the team on the field to bank the profits. never putting the whole team needed in the field. the sox should have won several more WS if the owner would have fielded a proper team in the late 90's. i know b//c we in an old forum and as fans were b****ing about that.

 

again, getting and addressing 1 more sp is what is needed to protect the rotation., that is all i am saying. is 1 major prospect and a possible extra 2nd tiers prospects, be worth a WS next yr..... yes?

Edited January 28, 2015 by LDF

[LDF]

I'd be shocked if the Sox signed anyone left out in free agency other than one or two additional minor league guys or a waiver claim. IMO, the only "big" move would be them moving Viciedo, and that's looking less and less likely the closer to ST we get. All the moves the Sox made this offseason doesn't really wreck the future or overburden the organization in terms of contracts. I think Hahn has done an amazing job in plugging up holes and still keeping a solid plan for the next few years as the top prospects develop. Personally, I think a lot depends on guys like Anderson and Rodon coming on strong and fast. If both of them hit their potentials within the next few years, than the Sox are going to be in good shape. This organization really needs to start developing some bats or these short term deals won't really matter much.

 

i will go 1 further, i will be shocked if the sox goes outside the org for anymore backups.. b/c that is all they are going to address. i came to that conclusion yesterday.

 

~~ edit... i better edit this before i look like an idiot if the sox do sign someone between now and spring training, it will be a waiver pick up. this i will admit is a possibility.

Edited January 28, 2015 by LDF

[caulfield12]

There's a difference between "spending" and spending wisely.

 

The White Sox had some pretty huge payrolls from 2006-2013 without much to show for it.

 

Look at the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, etc. They can afford to have 2-3 bad long-term contracts and still contend most seasons. The White Sox, and about 2/3rd's of MLB, cannot.

 

 

If all the teams followed the minor league development-driven examples of the Rays, Cardinals and Rangers, they would be much better off than seeking external solutions via trade or free agency.

 

Finally, a lot of players will be available the last two weeks of spring training. It's up to Hahn and Co. to decide if Micah/Sanchez are ready, and if not, the best option for 2015 that won't impact the club adversely in 2016-18.

Edited January 28, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

There's a difference between "spending" and spending wisely.

 

The White Sox had some pretty huge payrolls from 2006-2013 without much to show for it.

 

Look at the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, etc. They can afford to have 2-3 bad long-term contracts and still contend most seasons. The White Sox, and about 2/3rd's of MLB, cannot.

 

 

If all the teams followed the minor league development-driven examples of the Rays, Cardinals and Rangers, they would be much better off than seeking external solutions via trade or free agency.

 

Finally, a lot of players will be available the last two weeks of spring training. It's up to Hahn and Co. to decide if Micah/Sanchez are ready, and if not, the best option for 2015 that won't impact the club adversely in 2016-18.

 

this is a great point. i will add some numbers to this, if you don't mind. the sox, imo can not maintain a payroll of over 140. that is stretching it. those that you mention and maybe a couple of more, can have a payroll of 200 mil. the sox can not compete with that nor should they. with the present management and what i have seen so far, i have confident in him. but if JR gives him a little more wiggle room to operate.

[greg775]

Shields would be a decent signing if he'd go for 2-3 years. I thought he sucked late last season but he's a veteran innings guy. How bout two years 10 mill a year and sign him up?

[Chisoxfn]

Shields would be a decent signing if he'd go for 2-3 years. I thought he sucked late last season but he's a veteran innings guy. How bout two years 10 mill a year and sign him up?

He won't take less than 4 yr 70M (and probably will end up getting closer to 4yr 80M) so he isn't going to do 2 yr 20M. Maybe 2 yr 40-50M and you could get him. If he'd sign to a 2yr 20M deal, he'd have been signed a long time ago.

[southsider2k5]

He won't take less than 4 yr 70M (and probably will end up getting closer to 4yr 80M) so he isn't going to do 2 yr 20M. Maybe 2 yr 40-50M and you could get him. If he'd sign to a 2yr 20M deal, he'd have been signed a long time ago.

 

I sure see no way it is that low.

[Chisoxfn]

I sure see no way it is that low.

I don't think he'll get more than that over 4 yrs. I still wouldn't be stunned if he ends up going on a 1 yr 25M deal or something like that. There is always someone who gets hurt in FA because they waited too long, etc, I think Shields will be that guy. That said, Tigers are always looming on Shields.

[LDF]

I don't think he'll get more than that over 4 yrs. I still wouldn't be stunned if he ends up going on a 1 yr 25M deal or something like that. There is always someone who gets hurt in FA because they waited too long, etc, I think Shields will be that guy. That said, Tigers are always looming on Shields.

 

well it is either he signs with whom is offering anything, as teams are starting to finalize their team. or accept a 1 yr deal.