southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Adam Johnson @AdamJ_NBAGL 17h17 hours ago Adam Silver says he wants to eliminate one-and-done rule. Once there are 30 G League tms let them draft out of HS & and spend 1 yr in NBAGL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) Gar had a chance to get rid of him last year but didn't as well. Typical. According to Cowley some of this stems from the fact that Niko wasn't around during the summer playing ball. But to be fair to Niko, he didn't have a contract. Not sure i'd be around either. One bad play/fall and your salary potential takes a nose dive. Still, just another embarrassment for this franchise. Even if you're the type to believe that GarPax has made good personnel decisions, the Bulls really need change for change's sake. Wipe the slate clean and start over. Edited October 18, 2017 by JenksIsMyHero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) It's a theme of dysfunction. Are Gar/Pax directly responsible for the punch being thrown? No. Does this happen in a franchise that is run properly? Absolutely not. They deserve everything they get. The glory Bulls had it happen. The Bears with Olin Kreutz (who were a solid team at the time), had it happen. People act like this doesn't happen on good teams, but it does. It doesn't get reported nor would this have got reported, other than the fact Niko got hurt. Arguments regularly happen in practice (and fights happen too). Have you guys seen Hard Knocks in football? Players are not all going to be friends and when you are consistently practicing you are going to get heated with various players and may even have overall battles with them. Escalations into fights can happen pretty quick. Kobe got into it at times with various players on the Lakers and Derrick Fisher regularly had to get in the middle of those dynamics. Sports are intense and to think otherwise is ignorant. No justification for Portis to throw the punch (and it sounds like Niko had other issues to blame), but it can happen and I think its just lazy to throw / deflect the blame on Gar/Pax cause its cliche to rip on them. I'm not going to point fingers at others, I'm going to point the finger at the two adults who allowed this to escalate and make the direct decisions that they did. The coaching staff and front office's job is to discipline and set the message that it won't stand. If Niko and Portis constantly argued with each other / didn't get along, what should Gar/Pax do or Fred, suspend them for arguing or intensly battling eachother? Come on...trash talking and competition happen regularly in those dynamics. You have elite athletes battling each other and trying to show they are best. Ego's are going to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Is there any sports team more comedic than the Chicago Bulls? f*** this team. It's a serious question btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Giannis with decent season debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) Giannis with decent season debut. Indeed. And Ben Simmons, my god, it's going to be some fun times for Sixers fans for the next decade or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 670 The ScoreVerified account @670TheScore 10m10 minutes ago John Paxson further explains sale of Jordan Bell pick to Warriors: 'Build equity' w/ ownership http://cbsloc.al/2xQLcZo via @CodyWesterlund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) 1. The Bulls had it happen with MJ, and it gave Kerr a black eye...not two facial fractures. Also, right or wrong, when you a franchise running on all cylinders, you can get away with those types of things. 2. The Kreutz/Fred Miller thing happened at a BBQ, with booze involved. Two totally different things. You can make all the excuses you want to protect the environment GarPax has created over there, but when you have John Paxson, the executive, putting his hands around the throat of the coach, and consistently running people out of town....there is a HUGE problem, and it starts at the top. There is a difference between blaming Gar and Pax for basketball decisions, etc., and throwing the blame on this incident on them. It's the easy/lazy thing for fans to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Now that comment from Paxson...just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) There is a difference between blaming Gar and Pax for basketball decisions, etc., and throwing the blame on this incident on them. It's the easy/lazy thing for fans to do. Here's the problem. If this is something that has been building for years, there is plenty of blame to go around. First off the Coach needs to be the person who steps in here and either fixes this or figures out a way for them to co-exist. If that can't be accomplished, then the Coach needs to go to upper management and tell them that one of these guys needs to go. If the Coach isn't able to handle the situation, it is up to upper management to either decide that the Coach isn't able to do his job and find someone who can, or to look at Player A or B as the problem and move them out of the organization before something awful happens. Especially when you factor in that Niko was just a free agent that the Bulls didn't have to bring back, this situation could have been easily "solved" by not resigning the guy. If Portis was the problem, find somewhere else for him to go. It isn't lazy to point that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 09:12 AM) Here's the problem. If this is something that has been building for years, there is plenty of blame to go around. First off the Coach needs to be the person who steps in here and either fixes this or figures out a way for them to co-exist. If that can't be accomplished, then the Coach needs to go to upper management and tell them that one of these guys needs to go. If the Coach isn't able to handle the situation, it is up to upper management to either decide that the Coach isn't able to do his job and find someone who can, or to look at Player A or B as the problem and move them out of the organization before something awful happens. Especially when you factor in that Niko was just a free agent that the Bulls didn't have to bring back, this situation could have been easily "solved" by not resigning the guy. If Portis was the problem, find somewhere else for him to go. It isn't lazy to point that out. None of us were there or saw how things escalate so I think it is lazy for everyone to just assume and point finger at Gar/Pax (in the case of this) and deflect the blame from the individuals directly involved. That said, below is a quote from Cowley referring to Doug Collins being upset. According to one source, however, Forman’s web is starting to be pulled apart. Doug Collins, who was hired this offseason as a special advisor, was visibly upset that Portis and Mirotic had been allowed to go out it as long as they have, and is beginning to question the entire chain of leadership – starting with Forman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The “build equity” quote was terrible. Anyone should listen to that and try and explain to me why I should give this team one minute of my attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) The “build equity” quote was terrible. Anyone should listen to that and try and explain to me why I should give this team one minute of my attention WTF does it even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) WTF does it even mean? Fatten Jerry's wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) WTF does it even mean? This is basically how he explained it We traded away Deng and traded away money. We had 5 guys on our board for second round and they were all gone when that pick came up We decided to trade that pick for 3.5M to save for some future player(ie. build equity) Bell was never a consideration. They didnt want to make a pick because they didnt scout anyone besides those 5 players. Considering they are rebuilding, that is unconscionable. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/19/bul...uity-ownership/ “We had our board up there, and we were sitting there with Jerry and Mike (Reinsdorf) and we said, ‘Here’s five players in the second round that we really value,'” Paxson said in an interview on the Mully and Hanley Show on 670 The Score. “And when we got to that pick, those five players were gone. And you know, sometimes when you’re dealing in a situation with where you are looking ahead to the future, you have to build up some equity with decisions that you make. You look back to when we did start this rebuild, the first rebuild in 2003, one of the things Jerry did a year into the rebuild was let us use $3 million to buy the Phoenix pick where we got Luol Deng. And so at that point, Jerry at the time stepped up.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Worse, they probably didn't scout Bell because they had Bobby and Niko so they were "set". Which is a good example of one of the worst faults of Forman, his complete lack of creativity when it comes to the use of roster spots, salaries and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) None of us were there or saw how things escalate so I think it is lazy for everyone to just assume and point finger at Gar/Pax (in the case of this) and deflect the blame from the individuals directly involved. That said, below is a quote from Cowley referring to Doug Collins being upset. Of course it is Portis and Niko's fault more than anyone else, but as in any employment situation when the employees can't handle it, it then becomes managements problem to step in and solve. More than Pax and Gar this rests on Hoiberg. But if Doug Collins can walk in that quickly and see a problem, but everyone else can't do anything about it over a period of years, that goes to my point exactly. If players couldn't fix it, then management needs to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Let's all just agree that Gar Forman is a joke and move on. He makes the Bears decision making look like the New England Patriots. Edited October 19, 2017 by Harry Chappas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This is hypnotizing Absolutely amazing weird NBA moment find by @NBA_Reddit's u/Colvjs, every Suns player starts running at same EXACT time after turnover pic.twitter.com/ztQgZRzIyR— Rob Perez (@World_Wide_Wob) October 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) The “build equity” quote was terrible. Anyone should listen to that and try and explain to me why I should give this team one minute of my attention I heard it as....try to put some cushion in my job security (i.e., buy job security). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 So Lauri looked good, but last night I think I confronted for first time how bad our backcourt is at least until Lavine gets here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 20, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) So Lauri looked good, but last night I think I confronted for first time how bad our backcourt is at least until Lavine gets here. GarPax think Kris Dunn might even be better than Cam Payne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2017 -> 08:56 AM) GarPax think Kris Dunn might even be better than Cam Payne. Dunn is out with an injury until saturday, so I guess he'll have his moment to shine. Probably not good to have your home opener with only the #7 overall draft pick from the package you acquired for your star playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Patrick Beverley absolutely trolled Lonzo Ball last night. Ball was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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