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Tex
post Nov 19, 2010 -> 09:29 AM
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I was hearing today that amid the giddyness of Republicans being able to overhaul the health care bill comes the sobering reality that plans are already underway to comply. The expense of complying, then changing to something new, could be a nasty little surprise to some folks.

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What does it say about an industry that is against a law that would dump millions of new paying customers in their laps?
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Soxbadger
post Jan 31, 2011 -> 03:26 PM
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A quote like that makes me sad to be in the same profession as the Judge because it shows a complete fundamental lack of understanding about the Boston Tea Party.

Its not that the tax itself that people were against,it was the "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION."

Unlike the current US govt, the colonials did not have representation in the British parliament. The entire Revolutionary War was over the fact that we did not have representation in parliament and therefore the tax was unfair because the British were taxing American colonists and the colonists had no real rights or representation in the British govt.

Now lets apply those facts to the current situation.

The Health Care bill was passed by the US congress, which is made up of (wait for it), Representatives. Thus when the Health Care Bill was passed, there was representation for the people and thus distinguishable from the Boston Tea Party (laws created with no representation.)

Poor reasoning that shows a complete and fundamental misunderstanding of our history.

A much more compelling (and why this law can not be overturned judicially) would be that the US has the right to create drug/consumption laws therefore the US has the right to create health laws.

If the US does not have the right to force me to buy health insurance, citing that it is for the health and welfare of society, than it doesnt have the right to stop me from injecting heroin and topping it off with some cocaine.

Either the US has the right to create laws for the health and welfare of society, or it doesnt.

Im fine either way, but I have a feeling the people who are adamantly against the insurance law arent going to be favorable to legalizing every illegal substance either.

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post Jan 31, 2011 -> 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) *
A quote like that makes me sad to be in the same profession as the Judge because it shows a complete fundamental lack of understanding about the Boston Tea Party.

Its not that the tax itself that people were against,it was the "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION."

Unlike the current US govt, the colonials did not have representation in the British parliament. The entire Revolutionary War was over the fact that we did not have representation in parliament and therefore the tax was unfair because the British were taxing American colonists and the colonists had no real rights or representation in the British govt.

Now lets apply those facts to the current situation.

The Health Care bill was passed by the US congress, which is made up of (wait for it), Representatives. Thus when the Health Care Bill was passed, there was representation for the people and thus distinguishable from the Boston Tea Party (laws created with no representation.)

Poor reasoning that shows a complete and fundamental misunderstanding of our history.

A much more compelling (and why this law can not be overturned judicially) would be that the US has the right to create drug/consumption laws therefore the US has the right to create health laws.

If the US does not have the right to force me to buy health insurance, citing that it is for the health and welfare of society, than it doesnt have the right to stop me from injecting heroin and topping it off with some cocaine.

Either the US has the right to create laws for the health and welfare of society, or it doesnt.

Im fine either way, but I have a feeling the people who are adamantly against the insurance law arent going to be favorable to legalizing every illegal substance either.


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- Tex   OBAMACARE MEGATHREAD OBAMA OBAMA CARE CARE   Nov 19, 2010 -> 09:29 AM
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