Tony82087
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:19 PM
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According to the Miami Herald, the Cubs are close to acquiring Kevin Gregg from the Marlins for a "hard-throwing, unidentified young pitcher."
Jose Ceda? Donald Veal? Angel Guzman? Gregg would be a fallback if the Cubs lost Kerry Wood to free agency, but he's a worse reliever than Carlos Marmol and maybe Jeff Samardzija. Most likely, he'd be the new Bobby Howry, both in role and in salary.
Solid pickup for them. I'm a Gregg fan, and wanted the Sox to target him this off-season.
fathom
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:26 PM
It's official according to Rosenthal. Good pick-up, but maybe this means Wood is gone.
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:26 PM
QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:19 PM)

Solid pickup for them. I'm a Gregg fan, and wanted the Sox to target him this off-season.
theyre better off with gregg or marmol as the closer and saving 10 mil a year or so that itd cost to resign wood.
DBAHO
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:27 PM
It looks like a fire sale all over again with the Marlins.
It's lucky for them they do such a good job at identifying young talent and using it so well.
Gregg should be a solid pickup for the Cubs though, you can never have enough good arms for your bullpen.
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:30 PM
QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:27 PM)

It looks like a fire sale all over again with the Marlins.
It's lucky for them they do such a good job at identifying young talent and using it so well.
Gregg should be a solid pickup for the Cubs though, you can never have enough good arms for your bullpen.
for jose ceda..dont know much about him
DBAHO
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:32 PM
QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:30 PM)

for jose ceda..dont know much about him
Was compared to Lee Smith.
Hard throwing righty, probably suited to the pen, command is the main issue for him. 4 star prospect on some web-sites IIRC.
Future closer maybe?
Thunderbolt
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:49 PM
The only way this makes sense to me is if the Padres suggested that Gregg was someone they’d be interested in for a Peavy deal. Otherwise, Ceda has a great live arm, and could have been of use to the major league ballclub as soon as September. I’m guessing the drafting of Cashner made this kid expendable that being said, he had some huge upside, and I find this deal very questionable.
Dick Allen
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:52 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:49 PM)

The only way this makes sense to me is if the Padres suggested that Gregg was someone they’d be interested in for a Peavy deal. Otherwise, Ceda has a great live arm, and could have been of use to the major league ballclub as soon as September. I’m guessing the drafting of Cashner made this kid expendable that being said, he had some huge upside, and I find this deal very questionable.
Gregg probably takes Howry's place or closes if they lose Wood and don't sign anyone. Ceda has potential but is a ways away.
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:55 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:49 PM)

The only way this makes sense to me is if the Padres suggested that Gregg was someone they’d be interested in for a Peavy deal. Otherwise, Ceda has a great live arm, and could have been of use to the major league ballclub as soon as September. I’m guessing the drafting of Cashner made this kid expendable that being said, he had some huge upside, and I find this deal very questionable.
well mlbtraderumors says the Cubs' offer was much better than reported. which isnt that hard to believe. theres too many bogus reports out there. marshall pie and cedeno for peavy, etc which is so dumb. who knows whats brewing
Dick Allen
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:21 PM
Hendry just said Wood is done with the Cubs.
fathom
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:26 PM
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 09:21 PM)

Hendry just said Wood is done with the Cubs.
Makes sense...had to be only reason this deal was done. Ceda's a ton to give up though, as he's one of the better relief arms in the minors.
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:31 PM
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:21 PM)

Hendry just said Wood is done with the Cubs.
wow. does make sense i guess. why spend 10mil on wood when u have other cheaper options. gregg, marmol, notre dame guy
SoxFan562004
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:31 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:49 PM)

The only way this makes sense to me is if the Padres suggested that Gregg was someone they’d be interested in for a Peavy deal. Otherwise, Ceda has a great live arm, and could have been of use to the major league ballclub as soon as September. I’m guessing the drafting of Cashner made this kid expendable that being said, he had some huge upside, and I find this deal very questionable.
It wouldn't make sense for the Padres to want him, it sounds like Gregg only has one year at about 2.5m left, not the type of deal the Pads apparently want.
Further expand on a couple of posts above, B & B had Jessie Rodgers on and he reported that Henry basically said Wood is done with the Cubs.
No matter how the Cubs rolled through the regular season last year IMO they have some work to be done. I think they need another BP arm, need to address a leadoff hitter and dropping Soriano down and if they can't resign Dempster they need another arm in the rotation, espically since Harden is coming back, you can't count on him to start 30+ games.
DBAHO
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:33 PM
Maybe the Cubs couldn't afford to re-sign both Wood and Dempster.
Either way, it's hurts the Sox in their effort to dangle Jenks as a trade - chip with another bonafide closer out there on the FA market.
I like what the Marlins have done here though getting Ceda. He may be able to help by the 2nd half of 2009, and they already acquired Nunez from the Royals, so they've got the makings of a really good young bullpen down there.
chimpy2121
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:33 PM
Marlin fans will be happy to get rid of him. He was the one guy the fans actually wanted to trade.
SoxFan562004
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:37 PM
QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:31 PM)

wow. does make sense i guess. why spend 10mil on wood when u have other cheaper options. gregg, marmol, notre dame guy
he didn't do very well in September, now that could be because he probably had pitched a ton of innings, but it's not like he was lights out like he was when he came up.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...1&year=2008Gregg also had a roughly 1.2 WHIP last year, that's OK, but not crazy good.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/greggke01.shtml
sircaffey
Nov 13, 2008 -> 02:39 PM
So now the Cubs back end of the bullpen consists of 3 guys capable of walking or hitting the first 4 guys in an inning. Marmol, Gregg, and Samardzija won't give up a ton of hits, but damn there are going to be some sticky situations that they get themselves into. Personally, I like strike throwers out of the bullpen.
whitesoxfan101
Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:24 PM
He had some significant control problems in Miami, but goggles only allowed a .206 and .203 average against in his two years there. He was also only 29 for 38 in saves last year though, and his home run allowed numbers are going to go up at Wrigley. It's a solid pickup for the Cubs, but if he is indeed going to be the man that replaces Wood, they will see their production in the closer spot fall off in 2009. As the last poster mentioned, it's interesting that they are going to rely on the guys they are at the back of their pen, as in three guys with great stuff, but major control problems at times. That's a classic high reward/high risk proposition. He's just the kind of bullpen arm that Hendry seems to like in that regard.
As for Wood and Dempster, the Cubs could AFFORD both of them, but I doubt either comes back. We know Wood is gone now, and Dempster will likely be in the same boat because the Cubs got career years out of them of them last year and they know it. I give them credit for being wise enough to realize that and not give away huge contracts to either guy though.
RockRaines
Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:37 PM
QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 01:30 PM)

for jose ceda..dont know much about him
Cubs fans are VERY high on him. They believed him to be the cornerstone for Peavy. future stud closer or Ace
sircaffey
Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:42 PM
I got to see Ceda pitch against Kane County a couple of times in 2007, and he brings it. He is a laaaaaarge man. A Dominican Bobby. I think he's gonna be pretty damn good reliever.
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:44 PM
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:37 PM)

Cubs fans are VERY high on him. They believed him to be the cornerstone for Peavy. future stud closer or Ace
yea i lokked into it. he wont be ready until possibly atleast sept so the cubs were probly more interested in winning right away
Thunderbolt
Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:06 PM
Hendry confirmed on Mac, Jurko and Harry that Wood is indeed gone. I'm going to make a bold prediction and say that he's a Texas Ranger in two months.
kyyle23
Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:09 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:06 PM)

Hendry confirmed on Mac, Jurko and Harry that Wood is indeed gone. I'm going to make a bold prediction and say that he's a Texas Ranger in two months.
"bold" should be in the greenest green possible
Melissa1334
Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:49 PM
the last time i saw gregg pitch, i was in florida on vacation and he gave up that 3r blast to ward lol
BearSox
Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:36 PM
Gregg isn't anything great. He's got decent stuff, but he's a bonehead of a pitcher. He's better off in a lesser role in with the Cubs. Marmol should be the closer.
witesoxfan
Nov 14, 2008 -> 03:54 AM
QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:36 PM)

Gregg isn't anything great. He's got decent stuff, but he's a bonehead of a pitcher. He's better off in a lesser role in with the Cubs. Marmol should be the closer.
agree completely
RockRaines
Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:15 AM
Marmol would be a disaster of a closer IMO.
RockRaines
Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:26 AM
I'm sorry, but Cubs fans are ridiculously retarded. ONE healthy season as a closer and this is what they have been saying about Wood:
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This is a sad day for Cubs fans as a whole, but especially those of us that fell in love with the Cubs in the 90's. Although his Hall of Fame chances are slim barring a great career as a closer, Wood will be seen by many in the same light as Sandberg, Banks, Santo and all other Cubs greats. He was the face of the organization hurt or not, and from what I understand poured his heart and sole into the city of Chicago.
Kerry you will be missed by all and good luck with your new team as long as you aren't playing the Cubs... Hendry, this is the WORST move you've made as a GM.
Wood in the same light as those HOF'ers? Get the f*** outta here.
kyyle23
Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:30 AM
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:26 AM)

I'm sorry, but Cubs fans are ridiculously retarded. ONE healthy season as a closer and this is what they have been saying about Wood:
Wood in the same light as those HOF'ers? Get the f*** outta here.
20 K's buys you superhero status in Wrigleyville. Heck, I still know people who proudly wear the "We Got Wood" shirts
Thunderbolt
Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:53 AM
There is no excuse for putting a high-leverage arm like Marmol’s in the closers spot. Not when the kid can give you two lights-out innings in the 7th and 8th nearly every night.
kyyle23
Nov 14, 2008 -> 10:00 AM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 09:53 AM)

There is no excuse for putting a high-leverage arm like Marmol’s in the closers spot. Not when the kid can give you two lights-out innings in the 7th and 8th nearly every night.
They have been grooming him as a closer for 2 years now, he definitely has the stuff for the job.
Thunderbolt
Nov 14, 2008 -> 10:06 AM
QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:00 AM)

They have been grooming him as a closer for 2 years now, he definitely has the stuff for the job.
You simply do not put a guy with the control and stuff that Marmol has in the closers spot. Marmol is absolutely excellent at getting his team out of Jams, particularly when his team needs it in the 7th and 8th. What gives anyone the impression that he’d be better served coming in in the 9th with no one on and a 3-run lead?
southsider2k5
Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:47 AM
Here's a thought I haven't heard echoed yet... Are the Cubs cutting payroll? No Dempster, and no Wood. Could they be trying to lop off some dollars so that they can push the team sale along?
RockRaines
Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:52 AM
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:47 AM)

Here's a thought I haven't heard echoed yet... Are the Cubs cutting payroll? No Dempster, and no Wood. Could they be trying to lop off some dollars so that they can push the team sale along?
Doubt it, I think they are cutting cost so they can add "the last piece to the puzzle" in an overpriced LH bat to play RF. I really hope they sign Adam Dunn so they have the worst defensive OF in baseball.
Mr. Showtime
Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:57 AM
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:47 AM)

Here's a thought I haven't heard echoed yet... Are the Cubs cutting payroll? No Dempster, and no Wood. Could they be trying to lop off some dollars so that they can push the team sale along?
Payroll is going up for them, they back loaded a lot of contracts.
Jenks Heat
Nov 14, 2008 -> 12:27 PM
QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:57 AM)

Payroll is going up for them, they back loaded a lot of contracts.
Exactly they are cutting salary to keep the payroll from going up to much.
There are a ton of contracts that are going way, way up.
SoxFan562004
Nov 14, 2008 -> 01:12 PM
QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 12:27 PM)

Exactly they are cutting salary to keep the payroll from going up to much.
There are a ton of contracts that are going way, way up.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but that Soriano contract is crazy in its last few years
Kalapse
Nov 14, 2008 -> 01:25 PM
QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 12:57 PM)

Payroll is going up for them, they back loaded a lot of contracts.
The combined salaries of Zambrano, Ramirez, Soriano, Lilly, Fukudome, Marque, DeRosa and Harden go up $24.4M between '08 and '09.
Thunderbolt
Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:14 PM
QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 02:25 PM)

The combined salaries of Zambrano, Ramirez, Soriano, Lilly, Fukudome, Marque, DeRosa and Harden go up $24.4M between '08 and '09.
Wow, Sullivan just posted an interview with Wood wheWood said that he would of taken a sweetheart deal to resign with the Cubs. It really sounds like Hendry’s trying to force him out, which makes no sense whatsoever given what Wood means to that organization, and the year he had last year.
Kalapse
Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:24 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 05:14 PM)

Wow, Sullivan just posted an interview with Wood were Wood said that he would of taken a sweetheart deal to resign with the Cubs. It really sounds like Hendry’s trying to force him out, which makes no sense whatsoever given what Wood means to that organization, and the year he had last year.
It makes sense if the Cubs just can't afford to keep him around. Even if he were willing to take a huge discount they're still gonna have to pay him 8 or 9 million a year over 3 seasons. Given how much guaranteed money they already have on the books for '09 and beyond and the tumultuous ownership situation it seems plausible that Hendry would be forced to cut him loose or give away another key player in a salary dump in order to find the financial flexibility required to retain Wood.
Balta1701
Nov 14, 2008 -> 05:07 PM
QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 02:24 PM)

It makes sense if the Cubs just can't afford to keep him around. Even if he were willing to take a huge discount they're still gonna have to pay him 8 or 9 million a year over 3 seasons. Given how much guaranteed money they already have on the books for '09 and beyond and the tumultuous ownership situation it seems plausible that Hendry would be forced to cut him loose or give away another key player in a salary dump in order to find the financial flexibility required to retain Wood.
It's entirely reasonable that their spending binge might well be catching up to them given the ownership situation. Ramirez, Lee, Soriano, DeRosa, Lilly, Zambrano, Fukudome, those are some big dollars they've put in to those players.
The Critic
Nov 15, 2008 -> 02:48 PM
QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 05:24 PM)

It makes sense if the Cubs just can't afford to keep him around. Even if he were willing to take a huge discount they're still gonna have to pay him 8 or 9 million a year over 3 seasons. Given how much guaranteed money they already have on the books for '09 and beyond and the tumultuous ownership situation it seems plausible that Hendry would be forced to cut him loose or give away another key player in a salary dump in order to find the financial flexibility required to retain Wood.
Wood said he'd take another one-year deal to stay.
Hendry wants to turn that page, and is using the "I want to be fair to Kerry" line as a smokescreen.
BearSox
Nov 15, 2008 -> 09:43 PM
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 10:06 AM)

You simply do not put a guy with the control and stuff that Marmol has in the closers spot. Marmol is absolutely excellent at getting his team out of Jams, particularly when his team needs it in the 7th and 8th. What gives anyone the impression that he'd be better served coming in in the 9th with no one on and a 3-run lead?
You know a closer doesn't have to just be just a 1 inning pitcher.
sircaffey
Nov 15, 2008 -> 10:23 PM
QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 01:12 PM)

I don't remember the exact numbers, but that Soriano contract is crazy in its last few years
$18 mil per 2010-2014.
Thunderbolt
Nov 15, 2008 -> 10:55 PM
QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 10:43 PM)

You know a closer doesn't have to just be just a 1 inning pitcher.
Piniella is fairly by the books when it comes to closer use, and its odd that he’s support Marmol for closer considering that the kid’s been his fallback guy for two years.
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