bmags
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:11 AM
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 04:09 PM)

FYI:
I think it was Chris Matthews on MSNBC last night who said he's talked with senior Obama staffers who have said Obama's inner circle / cabinet will be 3 things:
Bi-partisan
Diverse
No Retreads / Youth
Basically, they want a bi-partisan group of diverse individuals who havent been around the White House too much before.
I'm glad because youth means they probably don't know what they can get away with...unlike Bush's.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:14 AM
Just watched MSNBC's video footage of when they called it last night as well as the extended video footage of the immediate celebrations across the country. Gotta admit I got a bit teary eyed again.
Athomeboy_2000
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:15 AM
FWIW:
Rahm Emanuel has been offered the Chief of Staff position
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:33 AM
Has anybody here ever heard the Black National Anthem? The last line of the song is "Let us march on, 'till victory is won." Someone sent that to me in an e-mail today and the lyrics to the song look deeper than they ever did before.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:34 AM
Lift every voice and sing
Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty ;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that t he present has brought us,
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on till victory is won.
kapkomet
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:36 AM
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:15 AM)

FWIW:
Rahm Emanuel has been offered the Chief of Staff position
Well, there goes the "bi-partisan" thing right out the window, because this one's known as an "elbow pusher" for the Dems.
bmags
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:42 AM
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 04:36 PM)

Well, there goes the "bi-partisan" thing right out the window, because this one's known as an "elbow pusher" for the Dems.
Kap, don't start this so early. As soon as he picks one democrat "bi-partisan" is out the window? Rahm knows the Congress and is an asset to get bills through.
kapkomet
Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:43 AM
QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:42 AM)

Kap, don't start this so early. As soon as he picks one democrat "bi-partisan" is out the window? Rahm knows the Congress and is an asset to get bills through.
All I'm saying is, this pick is known as a hardball player for the Dems. That's it. But, of course he's going to have picks like this. It's expected.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:03 AM
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 08:15 AM)

FWIW:
Rahm Emanuel has been offered the Chief of Staff position
One interesting/worthy note about this is that Senator Obama's cabinet picks will likely give the Dems a much needed chance to get some "New blood" in to safe districts. Take guys like Rahm, or Biden, or maybe others who've been there for a while (Kerry comes to mind) and give them essentially a promotion while at the same time bringing in someone fresh.
Also...seriously, President-Elect Obama...you better freaking get FEMA right. Pay attention to the last 2 presidents and how each of them ran it. Your presidency can easily be defined by that one organization, and given climate change and the likelihood of the San Andreas/Heyward faults moving, it's going to be needed.
bschmaranz
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:03 AM
It's his chief of staff, you gotta have a bulldozer.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:06 AM
So how many Supreme Court retirements do you think we get in 2009? 2? 3?
Athomeboy_2000
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:07 AM
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:06 AM)

So how many Supreme Court retirements do you think we get in 2009? 2? 3?
i think 2 or 3 in the first term
DBAHO
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:08 AM
I ended up spending the majority of the night at a Young Democrats event in a bar in Midtown, Manhattan. When the 11PM results came in, with Califorina etc. and Obama becoming President Elect, the place just went absolutely nuts. Was great to see and be there to experience.
We also got into a big Democrats Function at the Sheraton. Here are all these people in suits etc., and I'm walking around with an Anti - Sarah Palin shirt on. Safe to say, it got quite a few positive reactions.
Times Square was crazy at about 1:30 in the morning or so, just with people chanting, music being played, hundreds and hundreds of cops everywhere.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:13 AM
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:07 AM)

i think 2 or 3 in the first term
I could actually see 4 reasonably within the first term. The Left leaning members didn't want to let Bush have the chance to totally remake the court. I think we'll get at least 2 next year alone.
LosMediasBlancas
Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:26 AM
QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:33 AM)

Has anybody here ever heard the Black National Anthem? The last line of the song is "Let us march on, 'till victory is won." Someone sent that to me in an e-mail today and the lyrics to the song look deeper than they ever did before.
The HS I went to was about 80% African American during the time I was there. I learned that song and always wondered what there is about the lyrics that makes it the 'Black NA.' Great song, for everyone.
Chet Lemon
Nov 5, 2008 -> 12:41 PM
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:06 AM)

So how many Supreme Court retirements do you think we get in 2009? 2? 3?
One. I predict it will be Ginsburg. She's a solid Democrat and left-leaning Justice. While Stevens and Souter are "liberals" relative to the current composition of the court, they are more or less unpredictable iconoclasts. I would be extremely surprised if Stevens and Souter retired during the first year of an Obama presidency. I think Stevens wants to get the record for longest-serving Justice, which means another two years to accomplish that goal.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 01:14 PM
QUOTE
I bet there are a bunch of, er, retiring Republican staffers who are a wee bit annoyed that their bosses opposed extending unemployment benefits.
Snicker.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 01:18 PM
QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 12:26 PM)

The HS I went to was about 80% African American during the time I was there. I learned that song and always wondered what there is about the lyrics that makes it the 'Black NA.' Great song, for everyone.
The song itself is about not lingering over social injustices in the past and to keep moving forward until you finally reach your goal. The song isn't divisive at all, it's pretty hard not to appreciate IMO. We used to sing it at assemblies in school, first the national anthem, then the black national anthem. I never thought about the last line of the song until now. Pretty deep stuff.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 01:32 PM
Finally someone calling that dweeb out:
QUOTE
Opening shot...While I expected a little last-minute racial ugliness at the end of the 2008 campaign, particularly as Republican hopes faltered, I did not expect to find it on the Drudge Report, a right-wing but otherwise respectable Web site.
Yet the kind of stories chosen to top this site read by millions took a disturbing turn Tuesday.
" 'BLACK PANTHERS' BLOCK ACCESS TO VOTING STATION" linked to amateur video of a pair of ominous guys loitering around a polling place in Philadelphia. "IN OBAMA WE TRUST: 'He is Going to Pay For My Gas and Mortgage,' " inaccurately quoted an African-American woman saying that, if Obama is elected, she won't have to worry about those two essentials -- a big difference.
And on and on. "Ayers, Farrakhan Vote at Same Polling Location as Obama." "America jittery." "Prepare for chaos."
It was alarmist, unfair and racist -- partisan propaganda at its worst.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 01:35 PM
Michelle Malkin was all over that s*** yesterday. "I call her Peggy Moocher." Uh, Michelle, she was talking about the economy, how and why would she expect that Obama is going to pay for those things for her...? Literally, the only reason I can think of is that she is a black woman supporting Obama so she automatically drew the conclusion that she was a welfare queen looking for a handout, if a white McCain voter said the same thing using different words, she wouldn't have thought twice.
I cannot stand Michelle Malkin.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:23 PM
Interesting
Obama article from ESPN.com
Dick Allen
Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:29 PM
What was the deal with the woman who sang the National Anthem at the rally last night? Someone should have made her practice using the correct words.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:32 PM
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:29 PM)

What was the deal with the woman who sang the National Anthem at the rally last night? Someone should have made her practice using the correct words.
That was embarrassing.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:38 PM
Well you got to admit he does wear nice clothes.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:45 PM
Some comic relief courtesy of
The Onion:
QUOTE
Hillary Clinton Resumes Attacking Obama
November 5, 2008 | Issue 44•45
NEW YORK—Less than 20 minutes after Barack Obama was elected the 44th president of the United States, New York senator Hillary Clinton officially resumed her political attacks against the senator from Illinois. "My fellow Americans, I admire Barack Obama, but in his first 20 minutes as president-elect, he has failed time and time again to deliver the change he promised," the former Democratic presidential candidate said at a small rally in Harlem. "Mr. Obama may deliver a rousing victory speech, but right now this country needs more than just speeches. It needs real leadership." In addition to her numerous scheduled public appearances, Clinton has also released a series of coordinated television and radio ads questioning the near-half-hour Obama has spent away from the White House, his failure to meet with a single foreign leader at Camp David since being elected, and the current lack of any female or minority appointments to his cabinet.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 04:44 PM
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:48 PM
If anyone's posted this one already I apologize.
"Black man given Nation's Worst Job."
DukeNukeEm
Nov 5, 2008 -> 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4BcShe. Didnt. Know. Africa. Was. A. Continent.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 08:37 PM
QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:32 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4BcShe. Didnt. Know. Africa. Was. A. Continent.
Holy s***.
Before that he said she didn't know what countries were in NAFTA, but it's completely overshadowed by what he says after that.
kapkomet
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:10 PM
QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 08:37 PM)

Holy s***.
Before that he said she didn't know what countries were in NAFTA, but it's completely overshadowed by what he says after that.
This is just stupid f***ing bulls***. The media perpetuating this is just terrible. Faux News included.
Soxbadger
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:13 PM
I just wonder why you are so sure that this is the media "perpetuating" something.
I know that people blame the liberal media constantly, but theres also the possibility that the media was easy on Palin and we are going to find out she really had absolutely no clue.
I mean some of her answers to questions are just mind numbing.
kapkomet
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:15 PM
QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:13 PM)

I just wonder why you are so sure that this is the media "perpetuating" something.
I know that people blame the liberal media constantly, but theres also the possibility that the media was easy on Palin and we are going to find out she really had absolutely no clue.
I mean some of her answers to questions are just mind numbing.
They are, and I agree with that point, but I just think it's ludicrous that she doesn't have second grade knowledge. Seriously. This is all just stupid.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:15 PM
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 10:10 PM)

This is just stupid f***ing bulls***. The media perpetuating this is just terrible. Faux News included.
What is bulls***? Really, this is a conclusion I came to weeks ago based off answers she gave, not the (relatively easy) questions Couric and Gibson were asking her. It's not something the media is perpetuating, it's the truth, being reported, and expanded upon by credible sources. Same as, say, Obama being a great public speaker, or McCain having a history of service.
DukeNukeEm
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:16 PM
I could seriously picture her not knowing who the members of NAFTA are.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:17 PM
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:10 PM)

This is just stupid f***ing bulls***. The media perpetuating this is just terrible. Faux News included.
You live by Rupert Murdoch's channel, you die by Rupert Murdoch's channel.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:17 PM
QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 08:32 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4BcShe. Didnt. Know. Africa. Was. A. Continent.
OMFG
How anyone can say she was qualified has got to be insane.
kapkomet
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:18 PM
QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:16 PM)

I could seriously picture her not knowing who the members of NAFTA are.
I couldn't. I think this is all blown out of proportion crap. But whatever, who cares, it doesn't matter anymore.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:19 PM
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:18 PM)

I couldn't. I think this is all blown out of proportion crap. But whatever, who cares, it doesn't matter anymore.
It does if there's a pretty large group of people trying to prop her up as the 2012 candidate.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:19 PM
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:15 PM)

They are, and I agree with that point, but I just think it's ludicrous that she doesn't have second grade knowledge.
Problem with that is, we constantly see, once or twice a year, one of those polls that asks Americans to do simple things, like Identify Mexico or Iraq or Europe on a map, and like 1/3 of the people they poll miss Mexico and half miss Iraq.
lostfan
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:20 PM
I didn't remember offhand where Myanmar was, I had to guess because they were brown people and I knew it was in SE Asia. But that's like in a different category than not knowing where China is.
Soxbadger
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:21 PM
Kap,
Some of it might be hyperbole, but I think that she may have had a stunning lack of world knowledge for a potential VP candidate. I think right now there is a certain group of Republican's who are out to take down Palin, the ones who come from big cities, with big money and big corporate connections.
Obviously all theory, but I just have this feeling so much negative Palin stuff is about to hit.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:23 PM
QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:20 PM)

I didn't remember offhand where Myanmar was, I had to guess because they were brown people and I knew it was in SE Asia. But that's like in a different category than not knowing where China is.
Here's one of those recent attempts to prove Americans are idiots. (From 2006, polling 18-24 year olds, for context to the Katrina/Pakistan questions)
QUOTE
Among the findings:
—One-third of respondents couldn't pinpoint Louisiana on a map and 48 percent were unable to locate Mississippi.
—Fewer than three in 10 think it important to know the locations of countries in the news and just 14 percent believe speaking another language is a necessary skill.
—Two-thirds didn't know that the earthquake that killed 70,000 people in October 2005 occurred in Pakistan.
—Six in 10 could not find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.
—While the outsourcing of jobs to India has been a major U.S. business story, 47 percent could not find the Indian subcontinent on a map of Asia.
—While Israeli-Palestinian strife has been in the news for the entire lives of the respondents, 75 percent were unable to locate Israel on a map of the Middle East.
—Nearly three-quarters incorrectly named English as the most widely spoken native language.
—Six in 10 did not know the border between North and South Korea is the most heavily fortified in the world. Thirty percent thought the most heavily fortified border was between the United States and Mexico.
Balta1701
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:24 PM
QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:21 PM)

Some of it might be hyperbole, but I think that she may have had a stunning lack of world knowledge for a potential VP candidate. I think right now there is a certain group of Republican's who are out to take down Palin, the ones who come from big cities, with big money and big corporate connections.
Obviously all theory, but I just have this feeling so much negative Palin stuff is about to hit.
And almost by definition...Fox News is part of the big money, corporate section of the Republican party.
BigSqwert
Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:29 PM
Palin is the perfect example of someone completely getting by in life by their looks alone. She has practically no intellectual acumen. It's insane that she somehow became a Governor.
BigSqwert
Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:44 AM
kapkomet
Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:02 AM
QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:21 PM)

Kap,
Some of it might be hyperbole, but I think that she may have had a stunning lack of world knowledge for a potential VP candidate. I think right now there is a certain group of Republican's who are out to take down Palin, the ones who come from big cities, with big money and big corporate connections.
Obviously all theory, but I just have this feeling so much negative Palin stuff is about to hit.
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 09:24 PM)

And almost by definition...Fox News is part of the big money, corporate section of the Republican party.
You both are exactly right. And I think that's why she's getting ran over - they want to put the car in reverse, run over her, and put it back in drive and kill her so she never has a chance again. She pissed off a lot of people.
NorthSideSox72
Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:27 AM
For those of us who cant' see YouTube at work... what is the deal with this Africa thing you are talking about?
lostfan
Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:28 AM
I'm reading international editorials I'm reading across the net all seem to have one theme - they are all fawning over Obama, they're all excited that Bush is leaving and Obama is coming in simultaneously, and they're all optimistic about America and they're proud of us. I haven't seen this much pro-Americanism outside of a few isolated places since 9-11 to be frank. Though of course, there are some writers asking how he's going to meet the expectations he's been setting and wondering exactly what an Obama administration will bring that's new.
lostfan
Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:31 AM
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 10:27 AM)

For those of us who cant' see YouTube at work... what is the deal with this Africa thing you are talking about?
In so many words, I believe it was a guy from the McCain campaign telling a Fox reporter (Shepard Smith I believe) that she was incredibly difficult to bring up to speed on a number of things, and that he was stunned at certain things she didn't know. The things he specfically mentioned were that she didn't know what countries were in NAFTA, she thought Africa was a country instead of a continent, and that she resisted preparation before the Katie Couric interview which would've averted the train wreck it turned into. He also said they advisors thought the questions were predictable, and all of them were fair albeit slightly snarky in tone.
Balta1701
Nov 6, 2008 -> 10:56 AM
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:27 AM)

For those of us who cant' see YouTube at work... what is the deal with this Africa thing you are talking about?
QUOTE
Smith: Now that the election is over, Carl, tell us more about those reports of infighting between Palin and McCain staffers.
Cameron: I wish I could have told you more at the time but all of it was put off the record until after the election. There was great concern in the McCain campaign that Sarah Palin lack the degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, and a heartbeat away from the presidency. We're told by folks that she didn't know what countries that were in NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, that being the Canada, the US, and Mexico. We're told she didn't understand that Africa was a continent rather than a country just in itself ... a whole host of questions that caused serious problems about her knowledgeability. She got very angry at staff, thought that she was mishandled.....was particularly angry about the way the Katie Couric interview went. She didn't accept preparation for that interview when the aides say that that was part of the problem. And that there were times that she was hard to control emotionally there's talk of temper tantrums at bad news clippings.
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