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FlaSoxxJim
QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:09 AM) *
no way, i don't believe that.


Why not? It wouldn't surprise me a bit.
southsideirish71
QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:33 AM) *
Why not? It wouldn't surprise me a bit.


I just want to know how they got this down to a neighborhood or physical address. I mean that is some straight up pimp best buy geek squad skillz that they have going for them. Odd though, when I looked at the IP its part of a /16 allocation for the senate in general. And the router announcing that network is in DC, and not Atlanta. But then again I didn't google geoip and use some random website as part of my investigation so it must be wrong.

southsider2k5
QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 11:49 PM) *
Republicans block debate on eliminating discrimination on employment within the military. A gay blogger posts on it. Followed by a reader comment of "All f**gots Must Die."

Blogger tracks the IP of the comment, traces it to one of two Senator's offices. Either Saxby Chambliss or Johnny Isakson (both Senators from Georgia) who have offices that are not far apart. And by not far, they mean in the same building.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/09/all-f...s-must-die.html


I wouldn't be surprised if that is a frame job. It is way to convenient, with a ton of info that really isn't public.
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 08:47 AM) *
I wouldn't be surprised if that is a frame job. It is way to convenient, with a ton of info that really isn't public.

Definitely possible.

Still disgusting that people think this way though, and clearly some do. The whole argument that doing this would hurt military morale is beyond lame. Of course it will hurt morale, it probably hurt it a lot more when the did racial unit integration too, but there comes a point when you realize you have to do it for the long term good of the military and the country. This is one of those times.
BigSqwert
Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus
Athomeboy_2000
Big health insurers to stop selling new child-only policies
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Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna Inc. and others say they will make the move as soon as Thursday when parts of the new healthcare law take effect. They cite potentially huge and unexpected costs for insuring children.

Major health insurance companies in California and other states have decided to stop selling policies for children rather than comply with a new federal healthcare law that bars them from rejecting youngsters with preexisting medical conditions.

Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna Inc. and others will halt new child-only policies in California, Illinois, Florida, Connecticut and elsewhere as early as Thursday when provisions of the nation's new healthcare law take effect, including a requirement that insurers cover children under age 19 regardless of their health histories.

The action will apply only to new coverage sought for children and not to existing child-only plans, family policies or insurance provided to youngsters through their parents' employers. An estimated 80,000 California children currently without insurance — and as many as 500,000 nationwide — would be affected, according to experts.

Insurers said they were acting because the new federal requirement could create huge and unexpected costs for covering children. They said the rule might prompt parents to buy policies only after their kids became sick, producing a glut of ill youngsters to insure. As a result, they said, many companies would flee the marketplace, leaving behind a handful to shoulder a huge financial burden.

The insurers said they now sell relatively few child-only policies, and thus the changes will have a small effect on families.
bigruss22
QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 08:52 AM) *

I am actually disappointed that I know these are Onion articles before clicking on it, it added so much more fun when I didnt know until halfway reading through it.
Rex Kicka**
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 09:47 AM) *
I wouldn't be surprised if that is a frame job. It is way to convenient, with a ton of info that really isn't public.


So you think a blogger in Brooklyn planned to have a random Republican Senator framed by planting someone to hack a wifi connection in Atlanta to make a comment on his blog post?

Doubt it. And this frame job wouldn't make sense. If he really wanted to punish someone, it would be one of the Republican Senate candidates running for reelection, Chambliss is not up for reelection in November, as far as I'm aware.

To his credit, what little it deserves, Senator Chambliss seems to be taking this decision extremely seriously. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/0...estigating.html

QUOTE
A slur against gays left on the blog Joe.My.God was traced back to the Atlanta office of Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on Tuesday. Chambliss has confirmed to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution that he is investigating whether one of his staffers left the comment, which suggested that all gays "must die."

Blog readers helped trace the IP address of the commenter to either Chambliss' office or the office of Sen. Johnny Isakson, nearby. "Among the fields in which gay people are over-represented is the IT field," said one of the bloggers who helped pin down the source.

Isakson has already declared that the message did not come from his staff.

"We have seen the allegations and are moving quickly to understand the facts. This office has not and will not tolerate any activity of the sort alleged," Chambliss spokeswoman Bronwyn Lance Chester told Politerati. "Once we have ascertained whether these claims are true, we will take the appropriate steps."

Reporter Jim Galloway told Joe.My.God he's hoping for further confirmation and possibly the name of the staffer today.
Jenksismybitch
QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 11:11 AM) *
So you think a blogger in Brooklyn planned to have a random Republican Senator framed by planting someone to hack a wifi connection in Atlanta to make a comment on his blog post?

Doubt it. And this frame job wouldn't make sense. If he really wanted to punish someone, it would be one of the Republican Senate candidates running for reelection, Chambliss is not up for reelection in November, as far as I'm aware.

To his credit, what little it deserves, Senator Chambliss seems to be taking this decision extremely seriously. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/0...estigating.html


Seems a bit odd that someone would take the time to investigate the source of a comment like that. Comment sections on blogs and websites have these types of things ALL the time. I seriously doubt he just randomly decided to check the source of that comment.
Rex Kicka**
QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:22 PM) *
Seems a bit odd that someone would take the time to investigate the source of a comment like that. Comment sections on blogs and websites have these types of things ALL the time. I seriously doubt he just randomly decided to check the source of that comment.


Unlike a CNN or Yahoo story, that doesn't happen all the time on his blog. When I kept a blog and I got a nastygram, I always tried to figure out who it was.
Balta1701
I think there's a very nice point illustrated by this article on the departure of Larry Summers from his role.
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Congressional Republicans - and some Democrats - have been more critical of Summers's tenure. House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) recently called on Obama to fire both Summers and Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, accusing the White House of pursuing misguided economic policies that ran up record deficits without creating jobs or significantly improving the economy.

Many prominent economists have rebutted that view, arguing that Obama's economic policies prevented last year's recession from turning into a depression. Still, with unemployment at 9.6 percent and Democrats getting battered in the polls, even some administration loyalists say they were surprised that it has taken so long for Obama to recast his message on the economy and reshape his economic team.
Did you catch it? Republicans and some Democrats have been critical of Summers...because of policies that ran up the deficit.

The only possible criticism of him...from the right. The idea that Democrats might be unhappy with him because he pushed back against the concept of a stimulus package large enough to fill the output gap...never crosses the mind of the writer or the reader.
mr_genius
QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 11:49 PM) *
Republicans block debate on eliminating discrimination on employment within the military. A gay blogger posts on it. Followed by a reader comment of "All f**gots Must Die."

Blogger tracks the IP of the comment, traces it to one of two Senator's offices. Either Saxby Chambliss or Johnny Isakson (both Senators from Georgia) who have offices that are not far apart. And by not far, they mean in the same building.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/09/all-f...s-must-die.html


the link you posted isn't working. i would be interested in seeing what they are basing their source analysis on.
Balta1701
QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) *
the link you posted isn't working. i would be interested in seeing what they are basing their source analysis on.

The swear filter here has replaced 2 characters with "*". Look at the link and try to figure out which 2 characters you need to type in manually to get it to work.
mr_genius
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:19 PM) *
The swear filter here has replaced 2 characters with "*". Look at the link and try to figure out which 2 characters you need to type in manually to get it to work.


I just tried the geo ip locater they used. I put in an IP that I know originates in Springfield IL, the tool claimed the IP originated in Rockford. Then used another GEO IP locator, this same IP was shown as originating in Chicago, IL. Tried another one, and it got it right, Springfield IL.

Jenksismybitch
QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:33 PM) *
I just tried the geo ip locater they used. I put in an IP that I know originates in Springfield IL, the tool claimed the IP originated in Rockford. Then used another GEO IP locator, this same IP was shown as originating in Chicago, IL. Tried another one, and it got it right, Springfield IL.


So basically, they're more than likely full of it.
Balta1701
QUOTE
A slur against gays left on the blog Joe.My.God was traced back to the Atlanta office of Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on Tuesday. Chambliss has confirmed to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution that he is investigating whether one of his staffers left the comment, which suggested that all gays "must die."

Blog readers helped trace the IP address of the commenter to either Chambliss' office or the office of Sen. Johnny Isakson, nearby. "Among the fields in which gay people are over-represented is the IT field," said one of the bloggers who helped pin down the source.

Isakson has already declared that the message did not come from his staff.
WaPo
And hearsay from the blog involved in the matter:
QUOTE
I've just gotten off the phone with Atlanta Journal-Constitution political writer Jim Galloway who says that Sen. Saxby Chambliss has confirmed that the "All f**gots must die" comment left here on JMG earlier today did indeed come from his Atlanta office. Galloway reports that Chambliss told him his office is conducting an internal investigation. For now Chambliss' spokesperson has issued a preliminary statement:

...
Galloway tells me a further confirmation, and hopefully, the identity of the commenter, should come tomorrow. I've also talked to producers at CNN and two Fox affiliates who may be covering the story. Thanks, as always, to our worthy JMG geeks for all their help!
NorthSideSox72
LOL, here is what having O'Donnell win the DE primary has done.

If Castle had won, he'd have a 55-37 edge over Coons (D).

With O'Donnell as the nominee, she is trailing Coons 55-39.

Article.
mr_genius
QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 12:38 PM) *
So basically, they're more than likely full of it.


well, i wouldn't necessarily say that. but their accusation could be considered a reckless one, as they didn't have total certainty of the location. but i suppose that's one of the many uses of the internet. reckless accusations. laugh.gif
bmags
hahaha
""Among the fields in which gay people are over-represented is the IT field," said one of the bloggers who helped pin down the source."

that's f***ing awesome.
Rex Kicka**
QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) *
So basically, they're more than likely full of it.


Turns out they weren't. And it should be noted that the blogger isn't asking for a head to roll, just an apology.

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-e...-it-619348.html

QUOTE
WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss' office has determined it was indeed the source of a highly publicized homosexual-bashing slur on an Internet site.

But in a statement, Chambliss' office said it has not discovered exactly who was behind the slur, and has turned the matter over to the Senate sergeant at arms. The office employs 42 people.

"The [sergeant at arms] has worked side by side with our personnel to determine whether the comment in question emanated from our office. That appears to be the case," an unsigned statement from Chambliss' press office read.

"There has not been a determination as to who posted the comment," the statement read. "That part of the review is ongoing, and is now in the hands of the Senate sergeant at arms.”

Spokeswomen for Chambliss did not return a reporter's phone calls or e-mails seeking more details.

Tuesday, a poster identifying himself as "Jimmy" wrote "All [gays] must die" on Joe.My.God., a blog dedicated to gay and lesbian issues -- just as Republican Chambliss and other senators were debating a Democratic proposal to repeal the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The proposal failed.

The posting was traced to an Internet Protocol address matching Chambliss' office, but it's unclear whether it was one of his offices in Georgia or in Washington.
StrangeSox
Shocking.



http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/23/docume...-iraq-november/
bmags
matt yglesias had one of the best blogging days in the history of blogging.
yglesias.thinkprogress.org
StrangeSox
Blatantly racist Tea Party candidate in New York (no, not Paladino this time).

QUOTE
In the midst of this onslaught against our youth, parents need to be reminded that they have a natural obligation, as essential as providing food and shelter, to instill in their children an acceptance of appropriate ethnic boundaries for socialization and for marriage


QUOTE
[T.S.] Eliot described some conditions for an optimal society: ‘The population should be homogeneous. . . . What is still more important is unity of religious background; and reasons of race and culture combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable. There must be a proper balance between urban and rural, industrial and agricultural development. And a spirit of excessive tolerance is to be deprecated.’”
Those are Eliot's words, but he's quoting him favorably.
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 07:37 AM) *
Blatantly racist Tea Party candidate in New York (no, not Paladino this time).



Those are Eliot's words, but he's quoting him favorably.

Tea Party? The words Tea Party don't even appear in that article. It appears he's a racist, so I hope he loses, and it seems like he will. But let's be clear - there is no mention that he is in any way affiliated with the Tea Party.

The GOP who backed him, though, may want to re-think that decision.
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) *

No surprise there. Its been pretty well known for a while that Rusmfeld and the other neo-con hawks that Bush surrounded himself with were looking for a reason to do Iraq. Its still, to this day, amazing to me that the public didn't see it in 2002 and 2003 during the run-up. A lot of evidence was already right there to see.

Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) *

Were the bullet points written by someone who had been in the country for 3 minutes? What kind of English is that?
StrangeSox
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 07:45 AM) *
Tea Party? The words Tea Party don't even appear in that article. It appears he's a racist, so I hope he loses, and it seems like he will. But let's be clear - there is no mention that he is in any way affiliated with the Tea Party.

The GOP who backed him, though, may want to re-think that decision.

NorthSideSox72
StrangeSox, did you mean to quote my post and not respond?
Rex Kicka**
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 08:45 AM) *
Tea Party? The words Tea Party don't even appear in that article. It appears he's a racist, so I hope he loses, and it seems like he will. But let's be clear - there is no mention that he is in any way affiliated with the Tea Party.

The GOP who backed him, though, may want to re-think that decision.


I will say that a google search on him shows a website where he claims to be a founding member of the White Plains Tea Party and he is a member of it according to Facebook.
Jenksismybitch
QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 01:16 PM) *
I will say that a google search on him shows a website where he claims to be a founding member of the White Plains Tea Party and he is a member of it according to Facebook.


Thus proving that all tea partiers are racist!

Man, you do it EVERY time. Amazing.
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 01:16 PM) *
I will say that a google search on him shows a website where he claims to be a founding member of the White Plains Tea Party and he is a member of it according to Facebook.

OK, then there it is. I just found it interesting that StrangeSox read an article which did not even contain the phrase "Tea Party", but applied the title to this racist buffoon. Did he know this about the guy from some other research before reading the article?
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 01:31 PM) *
Thus proving that all tea partiers are racist!

Man, you do it EVERY time. Amazing.

1. Rex said nothing like that, neither did I. He said THIS SPECIFIC PERSON claims to be a Tea Partier.

2. This particlar Tea Partier, apparently, is racist.

So can we please drop the hyperbole?
Jenksismybitch
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 02:24 PM) *
1. Rex said nothing like that, neither did I. He said THIS SPECIFIC PERSON claims to be a Tea Partier.

2. This particlar Tea Partier, apparently, is racist.

So can we please drop the hyperbole?


It was a joke. But it's not like SS linked the article just to prove there's a racist candidate out there.
Balta1701
Citizens United summed up in 1 paragraph.
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As of Monday, pro-Republican third-party organizations had paid for a total of $23.6 million worth of ads, while Democratic-aligned groups had spent just $4.8 million on TV.
Rex Kicka**
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) *
OK, then there it is. I just found it interesting that StrangeSox read an article which did not even contain the phrase "Tea Party", but applied the title to this racist buffoon. Did he know this about the guy from some other research before reading the article?


If he saw the story on Google News, its likely "tea party" was in there somewhere, when I did a google search on the candidate, every other hit had Tea Party in the excerpt.
Balta1701



That is the collage of images that the Republicans included with their new contract document they put out yesterday.

They can't even find stock photos to make themselves look inclusive?
BigSqwert
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 04:52 PM) *



That is the collage of images that the Republicans included with their new contract document they put out yesterday.

They can't even find stock photos to make themselves look inclusive?

They're at least happy to see a kid of Hispanic descent go off and risk his life for them.
Balta1701
QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) *
They're at least happy to see a kid of Hispanic descent go off and risk his life for them.

If you search hard, there's an Asian American and an African American in there too. But I'm pretty sure they're outnumbered by the horses.
mr_genius
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 04:52 PM) *



That is the collage of images that the Republicans included with their new contract document they put out yesterday.

They can't even find stock photos to make themselves look inclusive?


those evil whiteys.
StrangeSox
QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 11:39 AM) *
StrangeSox, did you mean to quote my post and not respond?


Apparently my phone doesn't work with soxtalk very well. I was going to say "can't get links now but..." and then what Rex posted.

edit: yeah, I had read other sources on him that detailed his Tea Party affiliations. Sorry for not linking them and for the confusion.
StrangeSox
QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 02:34 PM) *
It was a joke. But it's not like SS linked the article just to prove there's a racist candidate out there.


No, I was making the specific point that the Tea Party is getting extremely-right-wing, borderline-crazy, hopelessly ignorant, sometimes-super-racist conservative "values" candidates nominated. They're not getting people who actually know something about economics or taxation nominated.

That doesn't make everyone who generally supports tea party ideas "borderline-crazy, hopelessly ignorant, sometimes-super-racist conservative "values" voters", but who they are getting to represent them does not dispel the idea that it's just standard conservatism with some populist anger mixed in.
mr_genius
QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) *
That doesn't make everyone who generally supports tea party ideas "borderline-crazy, hopelessly ignorant, sometimes-super-racist conservative "values" voters"


na, they are all racist and dumb. I, on the other hand, am very smart and totally non-racist. basically, anyone that doesn't agree with everything i think is either a racist or super dumb (possibly both). it really is a curse being so much superior to all the stupid racists i have to put up with. they are so stupid!
StrangeSox
snark doesn't work well to defend stupid racists and the bizarre political movements that get them nominated.
mr_genius
QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 08:19 PM) *
snark doesn't work well to defend stupid racists and the bizarre political movements that get them nominated.


i will tell you this. if any, and i mean any, of theses stupid tea partiers wins the general election i will threaten to move to Canada.
GoSox05
I hope every "tea party" candidate wins. Especially Christine O'Donnell.

Tex
If any do, they will dive to the center like everyone else. They will have to vote with either the Dems or the Reps, so guess who they will vote with?
Balta1701
QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 26, 2010 -> 08:24 PM) *
If any do, they will dive to the center like everyone else.

Then they'll face a 2012 primary and be thrown out in favor of those who won't go to the center.

Really Tex...honestly...do you look at the makeup of the current Congress and think "These people have been driven towards the center"?

2k5 and I were randomly taking shots at the California budget situation in the Republican thread, but there's an actual lesson there. In California, there are a group of (republican in this case but affiliation isn't key to the argument) legislators who have gotten by for years by being unwilling to vote for or negotiate anything on the budget. They get themselves reelected every year because they're pushing hard for their small government values and they're in districts that really like that. Occasionally one of the block from one of these districts decides they're willing to negotiate on the budget to extract a concession they really want, and they wind up thrown out of office next election for having voted in favor of the budget.

These legislators get rewarded for being totally unwilling to negotiate on anything. California though has this particular mess where you need a 2/3 majority to pass a budget...so if you happen to get 34% of the legislature that decides there is zero benefit for them in negotiating because the voters throw out anyone who is willing to compromise, it becomes 100% impossible to pass a budget.

Do you know of any governing body at the National level where a supermajority requirement is becoming engrained, and where anyone who crosses the aisle is facing a primary defeat?
Athomeboy_2000
GOP blocks Democrats' bill to limit jobs outsourcing
QUOTE
Washington (CNN) – Senate Republicans successfully blocked a bill from coming to the Senate floor Tuesday that Democrats claim would help keep American jobs from going overseas.
Republicans call it nothing more than a pre-election political ploy.
The Democratic bill, which fell seven votes shy of passage, would have ended certain tax breaks for companies expanding overseas while giving new tax incentives to businesses bringing jobs home.

Democratic sources tell CNN they knew all along this measure would not make it very far. That was beside the point.
The point, Democratic strategists candidly admit, was to use the last few days of the congressional session before the election to try to highlight one of the few jobs-related issues Democrats feel they may be able to use against Republicans: outsourcing.
"No question people are angry at Democrats because the economy is bad and we are in charge," Democratic pollster Mark Mellman said.
"People are even more angry about jobs going overseas than they are about the absence of jobs as they look around their communities. So we're trying to focus that anger."
mr_genius
I'm watching FOX 'news' right now and Glenn Beck just called Obama , AND I QUOTE, a "pile of poopy"

RALLY THE TROOPS. This must not go unpunished.
Balta1701
QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 28, 2010 -> 05:32 PM) *
I'm watching FOX 'news' right now and Glenn Beck just called Obama , AND I QUOTE, a "pile of poopy"

RALLY THE TROOPS. This must not go unpunished.

WTF?
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