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dasox24
So, this was in the catch-all thread, but Russ brought up a good point about the job/internship thread he started last year being pretty solid. Considering a decent % of Soxtalk users are in college or just out, I thought we could bring this back...

Anyway, I interviewed with 4 companies last week for a full-time job in a Logistics/Supply Chain role after I graduate:

ExxonMobile
Cummins
Whirlpool
Chep

Does anyone know anything particular or have any advice on working for these companies?
Athomeboy_2000
I've officially decided to start looking for a new job early next year. I am going to get my A+ certification in late winter/early spring and then start looking for an IT job. I need to find a same or higher paying job, or else I'm not leaving my current one.
RockRaines
Actually looking to open my own small business in Chicago on the side in the next few months.
Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:04 AM) *
Actually looking to open my own small business in Chicago on the side in the next few months.

oh cool. what are you looking at doing?
southsideirish71
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 09:59 AM) *
I've officially decided to start looking for a new job early next year. I am going to get my A+ certification in late winter/early spring and then start looking for an IT job. I need to find a same or higher paying job, or else I'm not leaving my current one.


IMO, A+ isn't really a respected cert. Its good if you want to get into basic helpdesk or fix PCs but no networking group worth their salt with vet any of the + certs. You would be better off getting a Cisco/Microsoft cert than the A+.
Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) *
IMO, A+ isn't really a respected cert. Its good if you want to get into basic helpdesk or fix PCs but no networking group worth their salt with vet any of the + certs. You would be better off getting a Cisco/Microsoft cert than the A+.

you'd be surprised how many jobs i"ve seen were A+ is a required cert. With that being said, I'm planning on doing a series of certs.

Any advice as to a course of action would be appreciated. I am pretty much "self taught" when it comes to computers. So, I dont have any real degree or certs to prove to a company what I know. I'm above average in my general computing and networking knowledge and I have very rudimentary experience in Windows Server.

After years of debating what career path I want to take (I majored in radio broadcasting, and currently work as a technology coordinator at a church), i think I'm going to go the IT route. I just enjoy it more.
RockRaines
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:13 AM) *
you'd be surprised how many jobs i"ve seen were A+ is a required cert. With that being said, I'm planning on doing a series of certs.

Any advice as to a course of action would be appreciated. I am pretty much "self taught" when it comes to computers. So, I dont have any real degree or certs to prove to a company what I know. I'm above average in my general computing and networking knowledge and I have very rudimentary experience in Windows Server.

After years of debating what career path I want to take (I majored in radio broadcasting, and currently work as a technology coordinator at a church), i think I'm going to go the IT route. I just enjoy it more.

Would you consider a sales-type role in the field? Sometimes people get their start there and then the company pays for you to get certs. You also get nice comp while doing it.
RockRaines
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) *
oh cool. what are you looking at doing?

Cant reveal that on a public forum quite yet since I dont have my space leased yet and its in the beginning stages. But I will say I am only looking to open this business because I think it benefits the residents of my neighborhood and I want to continue to be a part of the development of the west side.
Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:21 AM) *
Cant reveal that on a public forum quite yet since I dont have my space leased yet and its in the beginning stages. But I will say I am only looking to open this business because I think it benefits the residents of my neighborhood and I want to continue to be a part of the development of the west side.

That's really awesome of you. Big thumbs up to you!
Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:20 AM) *
Would you consider a sales-type role in the field? Sometimes people get their start there and then the company pays for you to get certs. You also get nice comp while doing it.

I could never be a sales person. It's just not in my personality.
RockRaines
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:27 AM) *
I could never be a sales person. It's just not in my personality.

What if you were a technical resource for a sales team that worked with customers to do installs or configuration? Meaning you were only brought in to work with a customer to either prove something works the way it should or to actually implement something they purchased? The reason I ask is because alot of my technical folks in that role work the job for a few years to gain experience while getting free certs and then take that experience and go and run IT depts or a director role.
Athomeboy_2000
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:34 AM) *
What if you were a technical resource for a sales team that worked with customers to do installs or configuration? Meaning you were only brought in to work with a customer to either prove something works the way it should or to actually implement something they purchased? The reason I ask is because alot of my technical folks in that role work the job for a few years to gain experience while getting free certs and then take that experience and go and run IT depts or a director role.

That's absolutely something I would do.
Flash Tizzle
I sympathize with anyone seeking employment during these times. While attending graduate school I spent, what seemed like, every weekend attending written examinations, orientations, even though every opening presented a similar formula -- too many applicants, too few openings. Mid summer I had made my way through the process (background investigation, polygraph, medical, several interviews, etc.) with one employer only to be set aside at the end in place of another applicant. It was devastating; especially since the person I interviewed with had all but assured me the position.

However, two months ago, that same employer who previously rejected me called to give a conditional offer of employment. Anyone who knows me knows what that job is, but I'll say this -- do EVERY little thing you can to improve yourself. Just think, before entering a room, what sets you apart from other applicants. Even if it means volunteering somewhere several times a month, look at the bigger picture -- it'll set you apart, provide additional information to talk about in an interview, and perhaps give someone an impression that this person genuinely cares about other people.
MuckFinnesota
Seeing as though people might view a Business degree from a liberal arts institution as weak, I may consider going to graduate school for the MBA or just go work at an entry-level job. I have no idea what I want to do for a living, and it is really competitive for even just a sports related internship. I impressed some people at the Quad Cities River Bandits, but I don't think that a bachelor's degree, work experience in sports communication and an internship will get me the job that I want. I couldn't do sales, it isn't in my personality either and I really don't know what I have to offer a company as some of the business courses are kind of bulls***, especially the ones about theory. Jobs I've considered are as follows: paralegal, random non-profit job, a management-trainee b**** at a car rental company, a technician in a hospital, a public relations specialist (which doesn't work well because of my personality) or really anything else. I'm open to a lot of options, I just don't know what to pursue and with the economy I'll just be happy to have a job.
RockRaines
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:58 PM) *
Seeing as though people might view a Business degree from a liberal arts institution as weak, I may consider going to graduate school for the MBA or just go work at an entry-level job. I have no idea what I want to do for a living, and it is really competitive for even just a sports related internship. I impressed some people at the Quad Cities River Bandits, but I don't think that a bachelor's degree, work experience in sports communication and an internship will get me the job that I want. I couldn't do sales, it isn't in my personality either and I really don't know what I have to offer a company as some of the business courses are kind of bulls***, especially the ones about theory. Jobs I've considered are as follows: paralegal, random non-profit job, a management-trainee b**** at a car rental company, a technician in a hospital, a public relations specialist (which doesn't work well because of my personality) or really anything else. I'm open to a lot of options, I just don't know what to pursue and with the economy I'll just be happy to have a job.

The problem is dropping 100k on an MBA. I have yet to figure out how the f*** to afford something like that.
Whitewashed in '05
I'll be graduating in the spring of 2011 with a degree in IT and will probably be looking for a new job. I haven't really thought of where I'll be applying since it's still a while away. Been thinking more about what exactly I want to do.
kapkomet
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:25 PM) *
The problem is dropping 100k on an MBA. I have yet to figure out how the f*** to afford something like that.


It ain't easy. At least I worked somewhere I could get part of it paid for.
bigruss22
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 08:57 PM) *
It ain't easy. At least I worked somewhere I could get part of it paid for.

Im hoping the place I interned with last year and will be back again this summer will hire me fulltime because they cover $5000 a year, and anything over that they cover 50%. Helps out quite a bit.
maggsmaggs
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:25 PM) *
The problem is dropping 100k on an MBA. I have yet to figure out how the f*** to afford something like that.

Yeah, it's hard, but the ROI on those things are great. But you don't want to take out loans and be in huge debt afterward.
Tony82087
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:58 PM) *
Seeing as though people might view a Business degree from a liberal arts institution as weak, I may consider going to graduate school for the MBA or just go work at an entry-level job. I have no idea what I want to do for a living, and it is really competitive for even just a sports related internship. I impressed some people at the Quad Cities River Bandits, but I don't think that a bachelor's degree, work experience in sports communication and an internship will get me the job that I want. I couldn't do sales, it isn't in my personality either and I really don't know what I have to offer a company as some of the business courses are kind of bulls***, especially the ones about theory. Jobs I've considered are as follows: paralegal, random non-profit job, a management-trainee b**** at a car rental company, a technician in a hospital, a public relations specialist (which doesn't work well because of my personality) or really anything else. I'm open to a lot of options, I just don't know what to pursue and with the economy I'll just be happy to have a job.


What does that mean? I know you said previously you didn't think you would fit in sales, but PR is quite different...
RockRaines
QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 08:57 PM) *
It ain't easy. At least I worked somewhere I could get part of it paid for.

My company just revoked it. They pay for pretty much any other degree except an MBA now. Still i think they only gave us 6k a year. Its f***ing expensive. I was looking at UIC, Depaul, etc and I just cannot fathom how to pay for it. I cannot get a student loan with a full time job at my income level and I cannot afford it on my income.
MuckFinnesota
QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) *
What does that mean? I know you said previously you didn't think you would fit in sales, but PR is quite different...

Would it be appropriate for a Business major with work experience in journalism to fit into PR? My written communication is great in a journalistic context and for class work, but I don't think I could think on my feet very well (though I am comfortable giving and writing speeches). However, I like what I see in the job profile. Excellent growth, despite keen competition - there's nothing that an internship or some continuing education classes can't do. Now if I could only get an internship with a sports organization doing something I'm good at - I'd be set. It seems like internships are really hard to come by.

RockRaines - would you try a private school in the Chicagoland area? They might pay for it. Also, which MBA is best: Finance, Accounting, Marketing, Strategic Management?
sircaffey
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:13 PM) *
My company just revoked it. They pay for pretty much any other degree except an MBA now. Still i think they only gave us 6k a year. Its f***ing expensive. I was looking at UIC, Depaul, etc and I just cannot fathom how to pay for it. I cannot get a student loan with a full time job at my income level and I cannot afford it on my income.

Go to a school where you can get a graduate assistantship. I'm getting 66% of my tuition paid for in the first year, and if they invite me back to be a GA in the second year, they'll pay 75% of year two's tuition. All for 10-12 hrs per week helping a professor with research.
bigruss22
QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:04 PM) *
Go to a school where you can get a graduate assistantship. I'm getting 66% of my tuition paid for in the first year, and if they invite me back to be a GA in the second year, they'll pay 75% of year two's tuition. All for 10-12 hrs per week helping a professor with research.

You probably have to give up your fulltime job then, and that's pretty costly by itself.
sircaffey
QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:18 PM) *
You probably have to give up your fulltime job then, and that's pretty costly by itself.

Yeah. I'm talking about if you want to go to school full-time. I am not sure if part-timers can get GA's. Probably not.
RockRaines
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:35 PM) *
RockRaines - would you try a private school in the Chicagoland area? They might pay for it. Also, which MBA is best: Finance, Accounting, Marketing, Strategic Management?

I want to try whatever works. I cannot leave my job since its very lucrative, but I want to further my education so make it into executive management someday or even just learn more about business so I can run my own successfully with confidence. Turns out my Psych degree with emphasis on child dev didnt really prepare me all that well.
MuckFinnesota
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 11:29 PM) *
I want to try whatever works. I cannot leave my job since its very lucrative, but I want to further my education so make it into executive management someday or even just learn more about business so I can run my own successfully with confidence. Turns out my Psych degree with emphasis on child dev didnt really prepare me all that well.

Does Loyola, Roosevelt or DePaul offer night classes or continuing education classes to get a certificate or Master's degree that would be conducive to your employment or family situation?
bigruss22
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 12:05 AM) *
Does Loyola, Roosevelt or DePaul offer night classes or continuing education classes to get a certificate or Master's degree that would be conducive to your employment or family situation?

I believe DePaul offers weekend and/or night classes, I could be confusing their schedule with NW's though.
flippedoutpunk
with the way things have been goin since ive been back ive been considering talking to a recruiter into getting me back in the army again unsure.gif
The Gooch
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 12:05 AM) *
Does Loyola, Roosevelt or DePaul offer night classes or continuing education classes to get a certificate or Master's degree that would be conducive to your employment or family situation?


Roosevelt offers night classes for MBA classes. I am getting my masters in I/O psychology right now and I believe the MBA classes run along the same timeline 6-8:30 pm.
sircaffey
QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 12:17 AM) *
I believe DePaul offers weekend and/or night classes, I could be confusing their schedule with NW's though.

DePaul's part-time program is by far more flexible. They have morning, evening, and weekend classes for part-timers on top of the full-time program. It's a very customizable program.
Tex
I would like to move closer to Austin or to South Padre Island.
SnB
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:13 PM) *
My company just revoked it. They pay for pretty much any other degree except an MBA now. Still i think they only gave us 6k a year. Its f***ing expensive. I was looking at UIC, Depaul, etc and I just cannot fathom how to pay for it. I cannot get a student loan with a full time job at my income level and I cannot afford it on my income.

If you look at some of the smaller schools in the area, there are scholarships around. I got a pretty good scholarship as well as getting 4k/year from my employer to get my MSA.
SnB
QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 12:05 AM) *
Does Loyola, Roosevelt or DePaul offer night classes or continuing education classes to get a certificate or Master's degree that would be conducive to your employment or family situation?

almost all of them offer night classes, if not JUST offering night classes.
RockRaines
QUOTE (SnB @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 01:44 PM) *
If you look at some of the smaller schools in the area, there are scholarships around. I got a pretty good scholarship as well as getting 4k/year from my employer to get my MSA.

How do you find those scholarships?
SnB
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) *
How do you find those scholarships?

After I took the GMAT and applied to the schools of choice, I honestly just said. "I'd love to go to your school, but may need some assistance to make it happen." Based on my GMAT score, they gave me their max scholarship. Roughly 30% off each class. Granted it's not a top-tier school, but a masters is a masters.

Grad schools are hurting for money
Paint it Black
Bumping a potential good thread. It's tough being unemployed and trying to find a professional job. Anybody have a good place to look that isn't the careerbuilder/indeed/whatever else? I'm a finance major if that helps.
bigruss22
QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 27, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) *
Bumping a potential good thread. It's tough being unemployed and trying to find a professional job. Anybody have a good place to look that isn't the careerbuilder/indeed/whatever else? I'm a finance major if that helps.

Are you in school? What level position are you looking for?

If you are in school or recently out of school I would see if your school has a career database website. For example, Illinois has I-Link, which is a job posting and search site for all Illinois students now. They have job postings for graduates too.
Paint it Black
Graduated in December 2009. Lost mt job in July. Just looking for an entry level finance/banking/accounting career. Thanks for that idea, I'll check that out.
Paint it Black
After looking my school has no such thing. Thanks ISU for being completely worthless once again!
Balta1701
QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 27, 2010 -> 04:41 PM) *
After looking my school has no such thing. Thanks ISU for being completely worthless once again!

Do they have a career/job placement office of any sort that you could get in touch with? They may not have a fully electronic one like U of I, but sometimes you can make use of other placement services.
The Gooch
QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 27, 2010 -> 03:41 PM) *
After looking my school has no such thing. Thanks ISU for being completely worthless once again!


ISU has erecruiting if you haven't been on there before. They have a variety of internships/jobs
nitetrain8601
Currently, I'm going to school for Computer Information Systems with a specification in Database Management. I am into computers, always interested in more in terms of how everything works, and it pays very very well. Last year, I was just going to get certifications. Athomeboy, from everything I researched, it's best to get your basic certs like A+, Network+, etc., then pick a specific track you want to go into. Get your Microsoft Certs or Cisco as those are the ones who will pay you the best. They are tough, but you'll make very good money.

I ended up deciding on CIS personally for myself, because I want the knowledge of those certs, but I want to do more than just fix computers and such. I want to be more involved in the programming as well as the other stuff. I want to run an online banking, or flight reservation program for a major airline. So far, I only have 3.5 semesters left if you include the current one. Great thing is, I get all the programs for free. I just setup Windows Server 2008 R2 on my home computers. Fun stuff.
iamshack
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:13 PM) *
My company just revoked it. They pay for pretty much any other degree except an MBA now. Still i think they only gave us 6k a year. Its f***ing expensive. I was looking at UIC, Depaul, etc and I just cannot fathom how to pay for it. I cannot get a student loan with a full time job at my income level and I cannot afford it on my income.

You can get government loans that will cover most of the expenses though, can't you?
kapkomet
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:13 PM) *
My company just revoked it. They pay for pretty much any other degree except an MBA now. Still i think they only gave us 6k a year. Its f***ing expensive. I was looking at UIC, Depaul, etc and I just cannot fathom how to pay for it. I cannot get a student loan with a full time job at my income level and I cannot afford it on my income.



I didn't catch this earlier, but just as an FYI, student loans are not income based.

Edit: shack sorta just said the same thing, oops.
NorthSideSox72
QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Oct 27, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) *
Bumping a potential good thread. It's tough being unemployed and trying to find a professional job. Anybody have a good place to look that isn't the careerbuilder/indeed/whatever else? I'm a finance major if that helps.

Having been in the full time work force out of school for well over a decade, here is what I can tell you. The best way to find jobs, in order, is...

1. Connections with people at companies you want to work for (personal, professional, networking)
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2. Recruiters and headhunters
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3. Campus recruitment offices (only when recently out of school, for the most part)
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99. Blind applications to jobs found via the web


Since #1 is hard to make work for someone with minimal experience, I'd focus on #2. Find recruiters and headhunters and firms of those types who specialize in jobs in finance, and get in front of a recruiter there.
Paint it Black
Yeah that is what I am finding out. I have had two interviews and both were because of connections. My problem with some of the recruiters is that I don't have any professional experience in the field, and so most don't want to touch me. It sucks because I put myself through school (two jobs at the same time in college my senior year) and employers don't seem that impressed with it. I dunno.
Athomeboy_2000
I applied for an IT job at the UofIowa last week. Haven't heard back yet.
Athomeboy_2000
If I am sending out cover letters and resumes, what is the commonly accepted/preferred model of delivery: E-Mail or Snail Mail?
Balta1701
QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 5, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) *
If I am sending out cover letters and resumes, what is the commonly accepted/preferred model of delivery: E-Mail or Snail Mail?

Probably depends on the job.
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