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  1. As a former Rick Hahn stan, I blasted and ridiculed Kenny Williams at every turn. Every bad choice made by the organization was Kenny's fault, every good one was Rick. Looking back after a decade of control, it's fair to say that the White Sox would be better off with Kenny Williams in charge and it's not even close. Kenny took over the GM role in 2000. He held that job until 2012. In the 12 years that Kenny Williams was in control of the White Sox, the White Sox were: 1109-998 (.526 WP%). They made the playoffs three times and won the World Series once. Here's the kicker though, under the current playoff format, they would have made the playoffs SIX times in 13 years. The White Sox had three losing seasons in his tenure, with the worst being a 72 win season and two 79 win seasons. For all intents and purposes, Kenny Williams kept the White Sox competitive year in and year out, on a limited budget much of the time, and with a minimal investment in the farm system and international signings. Kenny worked around his owner who didn't give him the resources and made season after season exciting. Rick Hahn has been at the helm from 2012/13-2022. In Rick Hahn's tenure, the White Sox are: 695-814 (.460 WP%). They made the playoffs twice, one in the COVID shortened season. They have had TWO winnings seasons and 7 losing seasons. They had four seasons with 72 wins or fewer (that was Kenny's worst season in charge), and this was with a bigger investment in international players, a larger investment in technology and the farm system, and a top 5 payroll this past season. Rick Hahn is a contract negotiator and that's it; he's not a baseball guy. He doesn't know how to build a team to compete, and he doesn't know how to maintain any form of sustained competitiveness. While Tony LaRussa obviously needs to be fired, I wanted to right a wrong here today. The blame for this season is on Tony AND Rick. His insistence on paying bullpen arms and investing his resources there is inexcusable. Allowing 2B and RF to be in the bottom three in baseball in WAR when he knew it was a weakness is unforgivable. The White Sox weren't unlucky, they were poorly managed and badly prepared for the expected outcomes of their players in regards to health and longevity. Kenny Williams wasn't the best GM in baseball, but he was a guy who put a competitive product on the field nearly every year for over a decade. He would have made the playoffs nearly 50% of his seasons under the new format, and truly only had one atrocious season. Kenny was better than Hahn, and it's not close. The Hahn excuse makers are some of the weirdest people in baseball to me. They are still making excuses for that bozo - blaming Kenny and TLR for his failures, yet Kenny Williams was 100% more successful than Rick Hahn as a GM, so if anything... we should be giving credit for the good moves to Kenny and the bad ones to Slick Rick; because criticism slides right off Rick.
    17 points
  2. They need some sort of Truman show set up for tlr where he thinks he is managing but it’s a soundstage
    17 points
  3. Injury prone players getting injured is not insane bad luck. It's an expected outcome. If you're going to build a team based on a core of fragile players that can't stay on the field, then you at least better build up insane depth. Unfortunately the Sox depth is among the worst in baseball.
    14 points
  4. Never should have taken the job in the first place, eat a bag of ____s Tony ... that is all
    14 points
  5. If Hahn doesn't go out the door also, this means nothing.
    13 points
  6. Rosenthal: An Open Letter to Tony La Russa This whole piece is wonderful and spot on. More in the actual article, which I assume is paywalled. Quoted a bunch of what seems relevant. https://theathletic.com/3593415/2022/09/14/rosenthal-tony-la-russa-white-sox-manager-future/
    13 points
  7. Talk s%*# get hit. The Sox thought they could cruise and they were wrong
    12 points
  8. Can you blame them? A manager they liked got fired and replaced with a 77 year old alcoholic. When they won 93 games despite him, their front office gave their worst player a 3 year deal, traded for an outfielder who can't hit RHP and isn't that good in the outfield, and signed a reliever who was injured. The hitters are being coached by someone who is coaching them counter to their natural talents, and their training staff can't keep them healthy. Why should they give 100% when nobody else in the organization is?
    12 points
  9. Can we stop blaming covid for poor performance? I’ve had that s%*# like 4 times already and I’m 38 years old and out of shape. Moncada had covid over two years ago, he’s fine.
    12 points
  10. Dear Tony, not a single Sox fan wants you to return. Go away
    12 points
  11. Yes it’s going to be on Comedy Central. Stay tuned.
    11 points
  12. Carlos Rodon is currently 1st in fWAR amongst all pitchers. Rick Hahn passed on offering him a QO, which would have secured him for the 2023 season at $18.5M or resulted in the addition of a compensation pick. Instead, this was his actual plan: Signed Kendall Graveman to 3/$24M - 0.6 fWAR Signed Joe Kelly to 2/$17M - 0.4 fWAR Signed Leury Garcia to 3/$16.5M - (1.1) fWAR Signed Josh Harrison to 1/$5.5M - 1.3 fWAR Signed Vince Velasquez to 1/$3M - 0.2 fWAR Acquired AJ Pollock ($11.5M salary) - 0.7 fWAR Acquired Reese McGuire ($0.4 salary) - 0.4 fWAR So for a total of ~$42M in spend for the 2023 season, Rick Hahn was able to acquire 2.5 fWAR. That’s $16.8M per win and in areas that usually provide the least marginal value. Things look far worse when you consider Rodon would have only cost $3.2M per win and would have required only 44% of those funds. Also, those ROI figures don’t even account for the following: The $36M in commitments beyond the 2023 season to three guys who combined for negative fWAR this year (Graveman, Kelly, & Garcia) The $13M we’re on the hook for now for a 35 year old OF who has a poor track record of health and who no longer appears to be able to hit RHP The fact Joe Kelly was going to be severely limited for the first two months of the season and still gave him one of the biggest reliever contracts in FA The “pitching depth” that Hahn prioritized coming out of the lockout have a +6 ERA (Kelly) & +5 ERA (VV) TLDR - Rick Hahn is really fucking bad at his job and needs to be fired ASAP.
    11 points
  13. I posted in another thread they can’t possibly make Cairo the manager now. Total surrender. Very unprofessional.
    11 points
  14. I know a portion of this video has been posted in other threads, but I thought this was so good it needed its own. I encourage everyone to watch the entire 16 minute video. It is exactly how every invested Sox fan is feeling right now, and a great summary of all the bad decisions that were made that made this rebuild a complete failure. The White Sox, as a WHOLE, should be ashamed of themselves.
    11 points
  15. If I ever wonder what 77 year old testicle taste like, now I know who to ask.
    11 points
  16. Wow, I never thought when I started this little thing called Today's Game Thread that I would have the honor to do it all again tomorrow. I'd like to personally thank each and every one of you that made this thing happen: @Balta1701 Thank You @ScooterMcGuire Thank You @BossanoverallsThank You @HighlandThank You @pcqThank You @Harry ChappasThank You @A-Train to 35thThank You @Chick MercedesThank You @Lip Man 1Thank You @JoshPRThank You @The Kids Can PlayThank You @whitesoxwinThank You @fathomThank You @maloney.adamThank You @TnetennbaThank You @Harold's Leg LiftThank You @DashFanThank You @Bob SacamanoThank You @South Side Hit MenThank You @SouthSideGeorgiaThank You @JTBThank You @chw42Thank You @cuban_sammichesThank You @The GrinderThank You @T R UThank You @caulfield12Thank You @ChiSox59Thank You
    10 points
  17. The Angels and Red Sox were the only non-playoff teams to spend more money per win than the White Sox. Payroll is not the issue. Hahn's horrible decision making and inability to understand how to build a baseball team is the issue. We have a long track resord of this.
    10 points
  18. I just want him to come and and tell the truth. "Guess what? Yall were right! We fucked up! I don't know how to spend money on players and my boss wouldn't let me choose my manager. We don't know how to keep players healthy, motivated, or accountable. We don't encourage hustling because our players will probably get hurt, even though they are PROFESSIONAL FKING ATHLETES. Go ahead. Rail on us. We deserve it. To all the White Sox fans, I know you don't care that I say this, but I'm sorry. This org needs change from top to bottom. And I will be the first to set the example. I quit."
    10 points
  19. Madrigal is better than Kwan, he just can’t stay healthy
    10 points
  20. How can anyone read that Bob article and think Tony didn’t destroy this team and also that he should ever return
    10 points
  21. Hating on a player because he doesn't conform to the prototypical white-boy baseball player from the 1950's always strikes me as absurd. People are different. People have different cultures. People have different styles, and tastes. Who gives a flying f*** if he wears a chain and tilts his hat? He's paid to hit the ball, not conform to some boring ass preconceived notion of what a baseball player should look like. Personality is a good thing.
    10 points
  22. These two posts belong together. This team has been disinterested garbage for the last 200 games with Tony running it. They have barely been .500, and have played disinterested and fundamentally garbage baseball. The jump in energy in the last week is shocking after seeing the previous year and a half. Tony LaRussa has been an unmitigated disaster for the Chicago White Sox. Literally every worst case scenario possible has happened in the last two seasons under his watch.
    10 points
  23. No one has ever victory lapped harder off 1 division title in 10 years on the job.
    9 points
  24. https://www.milb.com/scores/chicago-white-sox/2022-09-28 https://www.mlb.com/prospects/stats/affiliates?teamId=145&date=09/28/2022 Well everyone, or at least those few who are left, we have reached the final game of the minor league season. Thanks to everyone who contributed this year and hopefully better times are ahead. I have to honestly admit that it has probably been my most frustrating year following the Sox in over 50 seasons and I am ready for this year to be over. Thanks to the ST owners/admin/mods who entrusted me to the FS board. To all, be well and go Sox.
    9 points
  25. There is such a huge gap of trust between Sox fans and this team now. It would definitely take a house cleaning to bridge this gap. Too inept, dumb, lazy, and arrogant.
    9 points
  26. This injury was suffered on August 12. The strategy of not putting him on the IL has allowed him to play in 12 of the team's 28 games since then, with a .194 average and a .515 OPS in 38 plate appearances.
    9 points
  27. "The soreness will escalate" is also a good 2022 White Sox slogan.
    9 points
  28. This is why I’m never trading Eloy. He’s just an amazing bat when healthy.
    9 points
  29. You know I honestly think now they have a chance to lose the last 15 in a row to close the season. Then next year they have to open at Houston and play 10 of the first 14 on the road (if memory serves). You could be looking at a historic losing streak!!!!! One other note about tonight, the Sox have the most expensive bullpen in MLB history, yet every guy who came out of the pen tonight had an ERA of at LEAST 4.6. That's some "brilliant" G.M. the Sox have isn't it? if Hahn is retained (I'd bet money he is) the first question he should be asked by the media is, "Rick, with respect, based on your 10 year track record why should any Sox fan trust your judgement moving forward?" I'd love to hear him answer that one.
    8 points
  30. White Sox are the second healthiest team in the AL Central. White Sox fans: “this is insanely bad luck it will never be this bad again”.
    8 points
  31. Count me as thrilled that Tony is completely out, and not being kicked upstairs. Remove the tumor, let the body heal.
    8 points
  32. rewarding Andrus for his play really is how you end up paying Leury Garcia 3 yrs 15 million.
    8 points
  33. Yeah I'm definitely hoping Cleveland gets swept in the first round now.
    8 points
  34. IT hurts, hurts really bad. I would say bulletin board material for next year but I don't think anybody on the sox cares.
    8 points
  35. I didn’t get too much past Sheets and Vaughn playing any outfield next year- or ever again. But I appreciate your enthusiasm.
    8 points
  36. If the first move isn't getting rid of Hahn, literally nothing else matters and you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment yet again.
    8 points
  37. You're giving them too much credit. They're only close because the division is terrible. In any other division they would have been cooked at the all star break. They're like 13.5 behind that Yankees and 400 behind the Astros. There isn't another division in baseball where they'd be higher than 3rd. They aren't even in wild card contention, and there are more wild cards than ever. I would also say, they don't have bad luck in close games. They don't execute well. They're bad at the little things. That leads to giving away games. It leads to not closing things out. It leads to losing. This is about the most disappointing team and season I can remember. Maybe 2007 is the only one close. They have lots of talent, but are bad at baseball. That leads to a team that is completely mediocre.
    8 points
  38. The only real hope for a lot of Sox fans is to outlive JR and hope for better ownership.
    8 points
  39. Even if the rally falls short - if they keep this alive the final month it at least gives me much more hope and optimism heading into next season (because it really does mean TLR played a pretty huge role in this fiasco). It doesn't mean that there aren't other bigger issues to fix though, cause there are.
    8 points
  40. How about those winning percentages? I guess you are going to ignore that Ricky got it done against far superior competition in both Cleveland and Minny as compared to this year, and that Tony has seen his team perform less and less each season, with as you said, a not very good team? I know you want to misdirect by including what the rest of baseball was doing two years ago, instead of what the Sox are doing now, but again that is kind of the point. A better equipped team, is doing worse each season, with worse competition under this manager. Then after he steps away, the team looks like it did before he got here. Runs scored are up, homers are up, and the team is winning.
    8 points
  41. People have been giving Lynn s%*# on this board but he is 4-1 in his last seven starts a 2.06 ERA and most importantly, 53 strikeouts and only 4 walks. He's quietly found his 2021 form and not a lot of people have noticed. If the Sox can get to the playoffs, and that is a big IF, they will be lining up Cease, Cueto, and Lynn as their first three starters. That's pretty damn good.
    8 points
  42. Has he watched any Whitesox baseball the past year and 1/2? This makes zero sense. No one wants him back, especially not the fans
    8 points
  43. He's so vain. He thinks this winning streak is about him.
    8 points
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