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I beg to differ. The Sox as an organization are some dude sitting around in their under wear.

And Amed Rosario has played 2B, SS, and RF for the Rays, currently sports an .843 OPS, and signed for $1.5 million. I also wanted him THIS OFFSEASON, not in April after a historically bad start. You will argue he would have never signed here, which is fine. But I still don’t think you even understood my post. I wouldn’t have even bothered to sign Pham when Getz did. The season is already lost so do you really think it matters either way? Are you truly excited for Pham to join this 3-20 team, soon to be 3-21 team, and save them? Clevinger too? It just further proves what an awful job Getz did this offseason. The guy had to sign additional reinforcements well into the start of the season because his roster was so awful.

But we’ve seen for almost 200 games that this manager gets the worst out of players

This team needs Ozzie Guillen the rest of the season. It’s not about wins and losses. It’s about motivating some guys that need the right buttons pushed.

This is the 3rd game in a row that they have not been shutout. Progress, not perfection.

Korey Lee needs to play every single day

That's why I provided it. You're welcome.

I think its higher velos. Hard to catch up to gas as you age, and if you can't hit a fastball, you're pretty screwed. Wasn't so bad when guys were throwing maybe 92 and hitters were all hopped up on steroids. Stone was saying how little Jax throws his fastball last night, and he had 97 MPH cheese.

Something is seriously wrong with this organization.

I honestly root for them to lose every day just because I know the minute they win a game Pedro is going to spout some complete bullshit about “building off this,” “righting the ship,” “getting some momentum,” etc when…we all know they suck. God forbid they ever win two in a row.

Lmao how was that even close at the plate

I expected 100 losses, but i didnt expect an historically bad season. We havent even entered the tough part of the schedule yet.

TBF, not many people expected this level of suck. They also wouldn't be quite so terrible had Robert, Moncada and Eloy not gotten hurt the first week. Its fair to expect those guys to miss time throughout the season, but all right away? Even the naysayiest of naysayers wouldn't have honestly guessed that while being serious. I expected this team to float a few to several games below ,500 for awhile, at least pre-Cease trade. I expected improved defense and cleaner baseball. I hoped Robert's 2023 health would continue into 24, and we'd see a really nice contract year from Yoan. Obviously non of that has happened, but I don't think many people pre-season truly expected this to be an historically poor club.

4-7, not a single guy hitting over .200. Yikes. None of these dudes were ever going to be great hitters but players offensive abilities completely falling off a cliff the minute they get to this organization is 100% a pattern. It’s the same as a complete lack of a pitchers ability to hold runners on whether they are a young guy or veteran coming in. It’s like they instantly just stop caring about holding a guy close and they start running around the base paths at will. Teams have analytics departments that completely have the book on these guys meanwhile the Sox’ analytics department is about 4 people deep. For context…my daughters youth soccer club has more than 4 people assigned to video and opponent analysis…

It’s insane the excuse making that some made for Hahn, and it’s carried over to Getz. Almost every decision Getz has made since taking over has aged poorly so far. The Cease return is doing well so far and the Fedde deal looks good. The rest….terrible

Yes, this excuse was used for Rick Hahn and the general response was that if it was so bad, he could just have not taken the job. GMs with tighter leashes were able to build rosters that weren't on track to be the worst team in major league history.

Remember there were posters here who actually believed this team is going to be better than expected before the season? I wonder how they feel now.

I don't understand the Bears proposal at all. The current stadium is 20 years old. Its fine. They play there 9 times a year. A very small minority of fans attend more than one game a year anyway. Now you have beautiful views of the city and lake. Summertime concerts at the outdoor stadium are fun. People complaints about Soldier Field always center around difficulty getting to and from games. This doesn't change any of that. Its going to be the same thing except now they'll have some generic boring eyesore dome that doesn't even take advantage of being next to the lake and located within a beautiful park. That stadium in the renderings can be put anywhere. I don't want it on the lakefront. I understand wanting to move to Arlington. There, the stadium can be surrounded by hotels and bars etc. that would result in additional revenue for the team. That seems like such a waste for billions of dollars. How does it improve the fan experience? Nicer bathrooms? A little more capacity for tickets? Who cares if Chicago gets to host a Super Bowl or a Final Four? I can't imagine the Bears making money off of that as tenants. And if they do, it still seems insignificant when compared to the cost. I still think they end up moving to Arlington Heights. I think they are just using our idiot mayor for leverage. At least the Sox proposal is a clear upgrade for ownership and the fans. Improved location, nicer looking building, more lively atmosphere, easier to get to weekday night games for people working in the loop... More revenue possibilities for the team.

As someone who loves Duke Ellis, it'd be insane to have him skip AAA for anything short of having him as an emergency bench guy. The team needs to let all of their prospects go up through the normal cycles.

I dont see the point. If he wants to opt out, who cares?

It’s time to keep track. 8 of them through 24 games, 33 is the record. Never thought this would be something to track but here we are

Ron needs to make a thread about him.

I’m going to be so disappointed if Poles doesn’t take Odunze if he’s there at #9. Quite honestly, the only other result I would want to see is a crazy trade up for MHJ, which I doubt is likely. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/24/bears-nfl-draft-rome-odunze-would-love-to-join-caleb-williams-chicago/ https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-rome-odunze-workout-with-caleb-williams-dj-moore-keenan-allen-twitter-reaction/

Yes, that was rather surprising. But I think JR must have learned his lesson from Konerko’s last contract. Paulie’s last two seasons (ages 37 and 38) were terrible, as he was definitely done. Loyalty shouldn’t outweigh Father Time.

I think it's more that the kids are better trained, better mentored, eat better, and have more access to better statistical analysis than "old guys blowing out sooner".

Could be. But he’s also 37 now so last year and this year could just be natural decline for his age. Everyone seems to realize that old guys fall apart except for our new GM. See Maldonado (37) and Pillar (35).

He lied about his age and/or stopped taking steroids

I'm a little older and when I do some sprints, do a workout and then drink a few beers I'm on the shelf for 3 days. It stinks. We were all 27 once in baseball years but time waits for no man.

Good news! You’re off the hook.

Ha ha. Terrell Tatum is nothing like Micker Adolfo. Luis Gonzalez? Sure. Dominic Fletcher? Maybe. No one is saying the guy is a core player. But there is one thing I know for certain: he would have caught the pop up that Benintendi let drop for a double last night.

I don't understand how its this bad. Its almost impossible to be this bad. And its not even like they are just not catching breaks or getting unlucky. They are truly awful everywhere. Even if all you care about is saving money, you simply can't allow this to continue. You have to fire this manager. This team isn't just bad, they are putrid and have taken major steps back everywhere.

He might actually be able to get something out of Colas or Sosa. Plus a SS to work with Montgomery as well. Knows about Sox Pride and players will respect his two WS titles in coaching. Might as well bring back Camp Cora too.

Whose gonna tell him…

Yeah, not shocked at all by this inning. Soroka has horrendous stuff and can’t miss bats. Might get lucky for a bit but eventually teams will tee off on him.

Meh. He hasn’t given up runs but he isn’t missing bats and he’s had incredible BABIP luck today.

Joey Bart should have been acquired, no question about it

That’s what I was thinking. This team is literally setting records for futility. If the goal was “damage control” then it’s a horrible failure. I have to imagine that it won’t be this bad all season but…they are on pace to lose almost 140 games. This is a historically bad roster. And don’t give me the excuse of Robert and Yoan going down. If you don’t go into the season expecting a couple players to have long term IL trips, that’s a poorly formed plan. Yoan has been playing hurt for literally years and Luis has played over 100 games exactly once in his career. If you want damage control at least play some of these fringe AAAA guys instead of signing dudes in their late 30s that can’t hit.

Game Day has to be glitching, because it showed Andrew Vaughn just stole a base.

They already have. It’s his combined record with last year. Now 64-122.

Exactly. More excuses for Getz, but I guess he needs them. Like I said in another thread, other GMs with even bigger payroll constraints than Getz wouldn’t have been successful at building a record-breaking losing team like Getz managed to had they actually tried to do so. Somehow, our first year GM, who wouldn’t have been hired to the position by any other team in baseball, managed to do it. I wonder why? Oh, because he’s in over his head.

Well, sending Fletcher down and DFAing Leone would mean they could call up a reliever on the 40-man. That's the angle I was going for. Unless a guy like Clevinger could make a start tomorrow but I have not followed him at all.

There are a lot of questions about the Bears stadium. The $900m will come from the hotel tax. It will also cover the refinancing of the current debt and a liquidity fund. They say it will work because its for 40 years and only assumes a 4% annual hotel revenue growth. But as others have said, what happens if it doesn't cover the debt payments? The liquidity fund is supposed to cover it and seems to suggest the Bears don't want to cover it. But recently the tax hasn't been covering it, so do we really feel good about having to have 4% annual growth for 4 decades? What is the worst case scenario for this? But that's not even all the money the team needs. The nice parks between the colonnades and all the other amenities are supposed to cost another $1.5b, more than $300m of which is required right at the start. That amount isn't covered by the ISFA bonds. How would the City be expected to pay for that? Then there is the almost completely unaddressed questions of rent, lease termination terms, and other event revenue split. Are we basically renting it out at cost? Or could that be a source of revenue to borrow against for the infrastructure costs? Is the lease tied in any way to paying off the debt, or could we be in another situation in 20 years where the Bears want a new stadium and we're stuck with hundreds of millions in debt from the old one? And if there is such an appetite for all sorts of events at this nice new stadium, does the City get any cut of the revenue or just the normal amusement tax revenue? It seems like the Governor and most state legislators are against the proposal as it currently stands, so these questions might be areas of negotiations that could potentially take this to the point of actually being good for both the taxpayers and the Bears.

Benintendi DFA

I would have rather kept Vaughn in LF and resigned Abreu for 3 years at 19 million per season than be stuck with Benintendi for the next 3 years AFTER this one.

“Shitpost”? I hope when you do your “shitposting” that you are wearing your Depends instead of underwear. Fortunately, I still have a few more years to go before I have to worry about that predicament. But yeah, Getz’s acquisitions have done wonders at luring fans to the ballpark. He should’ve dumpster dove even more this offseason. It’s truly working… Even casual Sox fans know that Getz’s offseason was horseshit. You seem to be the only Sox fan I’ve seen who actually defended it. “Some semblance of chance of winning” already went out the window after their historically bad start and definitely by now with their current 3-21 record. It’s still too small of a sample size for you though, so I’ll get back to you once they have played more games. Regarding Fedde, I still don’t believe he will keep it up, although I hope he does so they can quickly trade him for something before he turns back into a pumpkin. Don’t forget how Crochet was an ace after just three starts. Meanwhile, you defended Getz and his awful offseason acquisitions of guys like DeJong, Lopez, Fletcher, Grossman, Soroka, Flexen, etc. I’d say you’re batting a lot worse than I am on the offseason thus far.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=zobris001ben Forgot he basically started his MLB career...at 27/28.

I wonder how many documentaries will they make about this team? After all its an historic season

We're getting to the point where it's going to be less embarrassing wearing a MAGA hat in public over a Sox hat.

HR Montgomery.

Absolutely. The La Pantera thing reminds me of Hawk at the end of his days trying to force some nicknames for Abreu. Has the same cringe feel to me. LuBob flies out like home cookin