Sarava

Or maybe he wants to play on a contender where he has the chance to stick it to Cleveland? If offers were similar, that could have tilted him slightly to the Sox? Just spitballing.

I don't want to speak for the other poster you quoted. But someone predicting that 2 players who were better than Giolito in 22 will be better than him again in 23 isn't really hate or even going that far out on a limb.

Seeing how the rest of his career played out, that was a good decision . And he probably cost the Sox a World Series title in 93 with his God awful performance against Toronto.

I'd be good with this. It's a typical White Sox move. They buy high on relievers and utility infielders, and buy low on most everything else. If this happens, hopefully it works again like it did with Cueto

If we had a serious big market owner, the move to make would be moving Anderson to RF and then signing one of the big name shortstops. But we have Jerry.

Kepler has had some huge games against the Sox, so it probably feels like he is better than he really is. Cant imagine the Sox and Twins trading though, especially while they both hope to win the division.

Maybe if Jerry waits until after Christmas, he can save himself from paying out holiday bonuses. Gotta save that money for lining the coffin.

It would be a very KW-like signing. But I doubt they can fit him in to their reduced payroll.

A lot of guys are coming off career worst years or close to it, whether by performance, health or both. Some won't improve. I think some will. If it exceeds a logically expected outcome, some real good things can happen here. I also think the removal of Menechino and La Russa will be a big boost. As bad as last year felt in so many different ways, they still were a .500 team. Every year we see teams make a big jump. The Sox don't even have that big of a jump to make. They're already a .500 team when pretty much everything under the sun went wrong (except Cease). Again, I'm not saying it's likely. But it's not even likely for the favorite. This team absolutely can win the World Series.

I've seen you say this at least twice in this thread. You should know better than to say that. I'm not saying it's likely. But if a couple of these rebuild guys finally get their s%*# together and blow up, this team could be world beaters.

I'm not an expert on Dodger prospects, but isn't Outman considered more of a potential bench or platoon player.... than a guy we would trade one of the top closers in baseball for?

Eh, as competitive as possible, while slashing payroll to satisfy Reinsdorf's bank account.

Forget the rape accusations if you will. But with the well known lackadaisical culture of the team last year, any coach that didn't prove themselves to be superb at their job (like Ethan Katz for example), by default should not return in my opinion.

This would be a very Kenny Williams-like move. Get a former star for pennies on the dollar when their value is smashed, and pray their former self returns (which it wouldn't in this case).

Only 35 AB's and he came right up from Birmingham. You can't really hold that against him.

It's nice to see Reinsdorf is going all-in in his final stretch as White Sox owner. *rolls eyes*

Interesting and it makes sense since Reinsdorf grew up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan. Too bad he didn't buy the Dodgers instead of the Sox.

You're advocating what your avatar seems to not want. Mediocrity.

I like #3 a lot, both light and dark. That goes back to me being real young kid and becoming a Sox fan. The 83's I like a lot more now, than I did back then. We used to call them the license plate jerseys. But as others have said, they've been overdone and its probably time to retire them for a decade or two. The 87-90's are the worst of the bunch. Just a terribly generic uniform.

It's really weird how 3 years ago - we were on the cusp of the most entertaining White Sox team since the Black Sox. And now we have our hands full with one of the least watchable White Sox teams in history.

As long as some absurdly rich billionaire that wants a team in his own city doesn't buy them.... A smart businessman would recognize the untapped goldmine that is the White sox. But it likely resides in the suburbs eventually.

Clevinger was getting to that point where Cleveland trades their starters. He was about to get paid. The timing probably worked out fine for them.

Clevinger has as much upside as Giolito. Not sure you can get him for 10 mil though. And the Covid/Plesac thing is one incident. My God we all make mistakes in life. I haven't heard of anything else negative with him.

I'm not as confident as most of you guys that Giolito will bounce back. But yeah, you hope they don't just give him away, especially if they are in cheapskate mode this winter - which all indications point to being true.

I think he'll get more. You have a possible TOR guy if he shakes off the TJ. Someone will bite on that for more than #5 starter money.