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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    8 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

     

    So one of three things just happened.

    1.  The Sox will make their announcement soon, and the Bears just left it up to them.

    2. The Bears have a plan, but not backing.

    3.  The Bears took what they could get from the City and State, and left the Sox out on their own.

    Danny Mendick

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    35 minutes ago, Quin said:

    Yeah, this is why I said depth development.

    It keeps you from spending money on the Leurys, Lopezes, and DeJongs of the world. 

    That's it right there.  He didn't show much post surgery last year, but he did have a decent season the year before it.  I guess we will see if he is a .800 or .600 guy now.

    Danny Mendick

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    18 minutes ago, Quin said:

    Also @WestEddy, Mendick is a depth development win. Adam Haseley massacred our boy right as he was breaking out.

    If we had been able to produce more guys like Danny Mendik during the rebuild, things would have gone a lot better.

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    "It's going to take time"

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, T R U said:

    This is the sad reality.

    Unless they spend big money on actual quality free agents and we hit on a lot of these prospects that are getting close, there is no scenario where this team is in a competitive window while Luis Robert is still under contract.

    Even if the unlikely happens and this team is competitive again in 2026, Luis Robert will almost surely be a big part of that reason and he will then be knocking on the FA door of a massive contract that we certainly wont be paying.

    My ideal scenario is he comes back healthy this season, finishes strong, and then is traded in the off-season for the best package you can get. Worst case, by the deadline next season.

    Taking a deeper look at our roster and our prospects, I can't picture who our OF will even be in two years.  Our top guys are a long way away in Zavala and Wolkow, and both of them are high bust types of candidates, as well as high ceiling.  Then you get into Brooks Baldwin, DeLoach, Veras and Burke.  You can count Fletcher if you like, but he looks like a low level starter at best.  IF looks a bit better with guys like Ramos and Colson nearing Chicago, and Quero behind the plate, but they well could be 25 to 26 arrivals outside of Monty.  Pitching looks a lot better, but the Sox need a HUGE infusion of offense from outside of the organization in the next few years if they want to be a playoff team, and I can't squint and see it with the failures of ILoy and Yoan.

    "It's going to take time"

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    10 minutes ago, Quin said:

    If Luis Robert is held on too long, it means Getz has failed, because Robert is 26-years-old.

    If Getz can get the team back into the playoff picture in 2 years - that's supposed to be Robert's prime. But the flipside is that we have a shitshow medical staff and a dumpster fire organization, so Robert can get hurt by just existing.

    I don't see a realistic scenario where we can get enough talent to the majors in 4 years to help Luis Robert be on a playoff team unless we trade Luis Robert to a playoff team soon and clean up.

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    "It's going to take time"

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, LittleHurtCG said:

    This isn't just bad baseball though. This is historically bad baseball. it is absolutley unwatchable.

    At least with Cease or Sale you could tune in every 5 days. Or with Burger there was always a chance for a Burger bomb and the dude appeared to actually play with some hustle. 

    That is a terrible way to run a franchise.  With the gap between good and bad as historic levels, the need to accumulate a lot of talent all at once is greater than ever before.  Losing players for nothing when you have one of the lowest amounts of talent in your franchise from top to bottom is borderline negligence.

    "It's going to take time"

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Just now, LittleHurtCG said:

    Likely nothing as long as JR is the owner and Chris Getz the General Manager. Hopefully this offeason the team attempts to build around Robert and Crochet by signing some veteran free agents who aren't totally washed up. They should also try to identify which of their top prospects are really just fools gold and trade them for some players who can make an immediate impact. 

    Would you include Louis Robert in the category of "core" players that were held onto too long? 

    Acquiring multiple blue chippers is a lot easier said than done.  Most Sox fans I know have very little interest in sitting through another 4-5 tank job of unwatchable baseball. 

    Whether Cease, Burger, and/or Aaron Bummer was here, we are going to go through years of bad baseball.  Period.  End of story.  Even in that list of 3 players, Dylan Cease is the only one with any REAL value to a franchise.  I won't pretend that Jake Burger and Aaron Bummer are some sort of difference makers.  If you get value to specialty relievers and DH's you trade them everytime when you have a 100 loss team if someone is willing to give you some value for them.

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    Sox/Bulls/Hawks close on Stadium deal

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    19 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

    The few years that people pretended to like hockey was very annoying. 

    I absolutely love hockey, especially live.  I am disgusted by the actions that this franchise look, and the genius of the cover up is that most of the participants were gone or disposable by the time it came out.

    Even all of that said, the franchise is worth a half a billion dollars less than the piddly White Sox.  Even in the midst of the Sox downward spiral, they still managed to pull in an extra $60 million more than the Hawks did last year.  That is a direct result of media revenue amongst other things.  In any three team partnership, the Hawks are going to be pulling in BY FAR, the least revenue, and it won't even be particularly close.  The Sox were estimated at $60 million in local money in 2022.  Can't find one one for the Hawks, but I  promise you it is no where near that number.

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    "It's going to take time"

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:

    Well said. Gordon Beckham mentioned on the CWS talk podcast awhile back that Getz indirectly ackowledged that Hahn/KW held onto their 'core' players too long. Getz told Beckham that he wants to be able to maximize on a players return values earlier rather than waiting. The tricky part is all of these damn injuries for these broken/expensive players. It's hard to unload bad contracts to guys made of glass. The key to fixing this thing is from the bottom up. The farm system needs to acquire multiple blue chippers and perhaps finally learn how to scout and develop their own homegrown talent.  Something that the Sox just never do. 

    Another immediate fix would be for Jerry to sell, but since he would be too bored in his final years, Sox fans will be hanging out in pergatory until his final days arrive.

    If the Getz era is going to be different than the Hahn era, it has to start in the farm system.  Barring the tank trades, the man was not able to generate even replacement level players on a regular basis, let alone decent starters to fill empty positions.  This has to start with having players forcing their way on to the major league roster on a regular basis.  You can work around not spending (like we have seen in Tampa and more recently Baltimore, and every once in a while in "Oakland"), but you can't work around not investing in the system.

    "It's going to take time"

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    14 minutes ago, Quin said:

    Spending money.

    We've beat the drum ad nauseum, but JR could have opened up the pocketbook for Harper or Machado, or if we want to get real fucking crazy, both.

    Insert both those guys into that 2020 lineup ad you've got RF + 2B (Moncada stays at 2B) solved for the first time in forever. They don't draft Madrigal for need.

    But nooooo, can't spend money. So guess the only other option is rebuild. Which I know you that you know Joe, but I need to spell out for people who don't understand it.

    Even if they spent Mets money this year, they weren't getting out of this mess. 

    Sox/Bulls/Hawks close on Stadium deal

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    1 minute ago, Paulie4Pres said:

    I love how people keep bringing this up, even though the management that was guilty of this is completely gone, and the owner is dead.

    This is also rich considering you are still a White Sox fan, despite the Omar Vizquel s%*#. Which was just as deplorable, if not worse... That also happened much more recently.

    I am also clearly talking about a financial perspective here, and not "image".

    From a financial perspective the NHL is a red-headed step child compared to the NBA and MLB.

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    "It's going to take time"

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    26 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:

    I think the point you are missing is that some of us don't really get a crap about prospect capital at this point. We already played that game before and struck out badly. Chris Sale or Dylan Cease pitching every 5 days was at least a reason to turn on the television and watch a game. There is really no reason to turn on the game right now and watch this hot pile of garbage. 

    Another tank job will not work! 

    Oh I got your point, I just don't think you understand that winning 63 games this year instead of 55 and then losing all of those guys anyways makes a damned bit of sense when a team is as bereft of talent as the White Sox are right now.

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    Chasing Records

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    8 hours ago, Rusty said:

    I certainly don’t disagree but it’s a business.  Pedro and Getz are very likely the cheapest manager and GM in MLB.  He has a sweetheart stadium deal.  Revenue sharing is still a thing.  Short of hiring Ozzie, which he won’t do, no one is watching the team anyways.  If he drives down attendance and viewer ratings he can get a lower price to move the teams to Stadium to pad his own bank account.  Don’t underestimate how much of a piece of s%*# Jerry is…

    Here's the thing that makes that unplausible to me.  The Sox already ate something to the order of what Pedro would make over the next two years to sign Bryan Shaw for a week and a half.  If he was really in that big of a cost cutting mode, they wouldn't be signing Tommy Pham or Michael Clevinger.  The numbers are WAY bigger for them than they are for Pedro.

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