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So noted, internet guy named "Hot FiRe".

Maybe they'll hire you if you write old Wilpon a letter!

This used to be a site where intelligent fans hungout and discussed White Sox baseball. This thread is a dumpster fire.

MLB Trade Rumors has said the Mets will be looking for a new GM this off season. Maybe the Mets will want to hire Hahn as their new GM.

I do think it is ironic you complain about #1 picks and returns on trades, but then in the very next sentence mention Chris Sale.

So I’m mostly a reader, not much of a poster. I’ve been reading the debates about Moncada and Rick Hahn. I check in on the game threads almost every game, and I read a lot about the prospects in the minors. But tonight I’d like to post a topic that I think should be discussed even though for many fans I think it’s probably a trivial matter. And that is the look of the team, especially as we enter into hopefully a new faze of being one of the better teams in baseball by 2020. My first puzzlement is why does a team named the White Sox wear black socks? While most players wear their pants down to their shoes and sock color doesn’t matter, a number do go with the more traditional old school look of pants at the knees with high socks, and ours are the wrong color. Check out the Red Sox, they wear red ones! I think we should go with white so our next contending team has a look that supports our name. I love the look of the home pinstripe whites, and the traditional road grades and find it frustrating that the team chooses to wear the black so called alternative jersey for so many games. Obviously I’m a traditionalist and I look at the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Dodgers and love the classic look they wear. I’d love to see the White Sox go down that path and have an aesthetic that respects the long tradition of the game of baseball. I’m probably in the minority. Most here are younger and probably love the black jerseys. But I grew up with the late 60’s team looking traditional and classy and then had to live through all of the uniform nightmares of the 70’s and 80’s that includes some pretty awful teams. So in conclusion it’s an off day, no game to watch and I thought I’d weigh in on my uniform obsession and see what other Sox Talkers think. Oh, I’d also love to see some changes to the park but I’ll save that for another day.

Hell of an outing for Carlos!

I'd love for Nicky to be good, I don't think he's more than a last man off the bench. Whenever Eloy check some boxes would be nice.

Boy, what a catch. I hope there's video soon. I'll be at Hansen's start tomorrow too!

He was supposed to start tonight, but the rainout pushed him to tomorrow.

He was also the 4th best defensive shortstop in MLB that year according to UZR. Tim Anderson is 13th out of 22 qualified.

The perfect situation would be the Mets hire Hahn as their GM. I would then write JR another letter requesting to be interviewed for the job of White Sox GM. Being "The Worlds Biggest White Sox Fan" (WBWSF) I would give JR the most unforgettable interview he ever experienced. I'm sure after my interview he would really have no choice but to name me the new White Sox GM. Believe me White Sox baseball would be fun again if I was the GM. I WOULD MAKE THE WHITE SOX GREAT AGAIN!!!!

I hate that the diamond logo has been replaced on the gray road jersey sleeves by the standard logo. It was a lot better looking before the change.

I think the real problem is there is enough people in this country that health insurance and their work provides it. They've had no real problems and they really don't give a shit if some people don't have it and could possibly go bankrupt because of expensive care or if they don't have proper access and they die. It's the old, I got mine, fuck you. Luckily that general thought process in this country is changing. Mostly do to the fact that private insurance is so bad that it effects almost everyone negatively.

I also hate the '83 alts. Other than the team not wearing white socks, I feel the home/road and blk alts are all very solid. They could be improved with a few tweaks here and there: bring the diamond logo back, plus the black piping on the grey pants...

This isn't really true. If it was, he would have gone to rebuilding years and years ago. By all reports JR is the one who kept blocking the rebuild, not Rick and not Kenny. Because of guaranteed revenue from MLB, it is the teams with zero payroll that make the most money, so all of those years the Sox were in Go for It mode, they were giving away profits that would have grown under a minimal payroll instead of something north of $100 million. What you are arguing here is 100% factually wrong.

You missed the point. A poster said if we don't see progress by 2020 heads should roll. My point is that JR may not see it that way since financially the rebuild has been a success despite poor attendance. The question is JR more concerned about revenue or wins/losses. We will find out.

CARLOS RODON IS INVITED TO THE PALKA PARTY!!!

Watching the replay, bonus points to Yolmer for the Gatorade dump on the 3rd base coach.

Pitching wins and that’s where you start to build. Rodon is a staff ace

PALKA PARTY!!! DARE TO BE STUPID!!!!

Let’s dance it’s Palka time. What an ending

I don't think it matters if he's LH, Rodon's like the only decent pitcher on the team. If they trade him at 25 years old with 3 years of control, the league ought to step in.

wRC+ of 48 since the ASB coming into the game. And I agree about the 4, with Omar making it 4.5. Some of these guys will be playing for the Long Island Ducks come 2020.

Not sure about that. If they are offered a couple of T100 guys and another interesting player or two, why not?

My god swing the freaking bat

Rodon for Cy Young!

It's shocking to me to see the Sox approach tonight or just taking first pitch fastball after first pitch fastball. Also please move Yolmer down to like 11th in the order.

Looks like Moncada is responding well to the lineup move. Walk (off of Bieber, which is hard to do) and a double so far.

If you read what I said, I actually think it supports my argument. KW arrived in 2000 and Paxson in 2003. KW's teams have played( and won) in one World Series. Paxson's teams have never made the NBA finals. Yet both have their jobs. It may be loyalty, or business success but their longevity is not based primarily on the field/court success. So one more time, with JR's track record, I do not assume that " if we don't see progress by 2020 heads should roll" .

A new owner would probably make this dream of yours come true! 😂

YES FIRE EVERYONE!!!!

And the Mets went to the 2015 World Series....so by comparison...

He's now at 1.5 after 114 games, putting him on pace for 2.1 - and you'll note that's going the wrong way.

Juan Uribe's OBP in 2005 was .301

He doesn't get on base enough to be an everyday player.

Moncada at third sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The Sox need to go hard after Machado and Arenado. Collins isn't going to stick behind the plate. His defense is terrible and not improving. Puff quotes from Nick Hostletter don't count.

I agree. The diamond sock is underutilized in our current look. It's a solid logo

Which means that we need to come up with 8 players better than him.

So do I. I always assumed they were brought back in an ironic, "so dated and bad they're funny" kind of way. Only recently did I realize that the organization isn't joking.

The White Sox cause you so much angst. Try having a positive outlook - you'll probably enjoy what should be a hobby quite a bit more.

Moncada, Anderson, Lopez, and Giolito are really the only guys on the 25 man that are critical to the future of the organization. Don't necessarily need any of them to be stars.

Grab the torches and have fun!

I wouldn't touch the pinstripes. It's a great look and it has been with the team for almost three decades consecutively. I do wish they would take a break from the solid black look. I also could see the road grey getting an update even though we never seem to use them. The only thing, however, I feel very strongly about with the White Sox "look" is the logo. Don't change the logo. The old english "Sox" is the best the team has had.

See, it's things like this when they're throw away remarks are exactly why I said that Rick Hahn is the worst GM any of us will ever see. You're right, if they can't develop position players this rebuild won't work, but if they can't develop position players then trying to compete won't work either. Literally, what you just said is a statement that the White Sox will never even make it to .500, even mediocre franchises hanging around .500 like the Nationals can turn out Soto and Turner. When someone says about a baseball team "oh the White Sox just can't develop position players but we're going to be competitive anyway", people should be throwing their hands up and screaming "are you out of your mind?!" Saying "We're going to have lots of strikeouts this year and yada yada yada see how things work in the end" is a great path to a 4th place team every year. "We're a great baseball franchise except for the parts where our guys have to hit the ball, catch the ball, and throw the ball. Oh but we signed the couple of 34 year olds, that should cover it." No one sees how that's something of a fundamental problem? How that's a huge indictment of the people whose job it is to field a baseball team? "I'm a driver at the Indy 500. I'm the best driver you'll ever see, I just have a problem with left turns". "We're a historic NFL franchise, we're one of the best you'll see, well except we have a little problem with our quarterbacks being terrible. Bear down!"

I definitely think they are one of the most aesthetic teams, now and in the future. Moncada, Davidson, Delmonico, Yolmer, Gio, TA. All attractive. Then you've got Kopech waiting in the minors.

I think the idea of 4th being a spot that should go to a potential superstar is a bit of a stretch. Teams mess up the first pick all the time. The 4th? Holy moly. If you get a solid major leaguer hell yea. Madrigal was an interesting combination of floor AND ceiling. Super rare. I just can’t be mad at the pick and I’ve tried

Or Fulmer to the Brewers for 3B Lucas Erceg. Or if the Rays for some reason wanted Fulmer, and we get 3B Christian Arroyo back. Basically as someone else said, look for a "change of scenery" type move where we can get a 3B prospect back who stalled in their development, similar to Fulmer.

I think it’s ridiculous to make these types of proclamations at this stage. While it’s possible the guy may never really put his approach together because of the hit tool, I think there is still a very real chance we see a huge step change type of jump from him. So many of these problems are occurring due to the counts he gets himself in. Some fairly minor changes, primarily an understanding that he needs to attack early, I think can turn him into an entirely different player. Right now, he’s taking far too many pitches, and the League understands that it can get ahead of him early. Most mlb hitters see their odds of being productive drastically reduce when behind in the count, particularly with two strikes. Yoan needs to change that by being aggressive early in the count. Once he inflicts enough damage early in counts, pitchers will stop throwing so many strikes early and he’ll have an opportunity to work counts more. That will then allow his zone recognition to become a true weapon again. Additionally, once he begins hitting, he will get the benefit of the doubt from the umpires more. However, until he can get himself into more hitters counts, he’s going to struggle. Almost all hitters do.