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People are sad one of our top prospects is called up. Lololol sox fans are so shitty

Jesus fucking Christ Kopech has over 140 innings of experience in Triple A and was the hottest pitcher in MILB over the past 2 months and people still want to keep him down.. SMDH... There is a lot that goes into play about these decisions than just that extra year of control, which may not matter as much at the end as the people here are fussing about. If you look at Kopech's overall body of work, he's proven he's ready the past month or so, and he most likely have "checked the checkboxes" with the organization. How do you tell the kid at the point that he's still not getting the call if he has done what the org has asked him to? On the flip side if you want to build some good will with Kopech (and Eloy) to leverage during contract extension discussion, these are the moves you make. If you handle their development solely based on financial reasons, that makes it much, much harder for the Sox as the negotiation table. Also, remember the backlash Cubs have gotten from the MLBPA after keeping Bryant down in 2015? More importantly, if we want to help Kopech become better as quickly as possible, this is the move you got to make. He will learn from this next month and a half and hopefully makes adjustments in the off season and be more ready next year. The quicker Kopech becomes good, the less time we waste on Rodon, Moncada, Lopez, Gio, and TA's contract. I also think an important point being ignored here is if Kopech and Eloy come up and show they're the real deal, it will be a lot easier to sell to the upcoming FA class that we could be a winning team in 2019 or 2020.

Uh, nobody said to "hide him in the minors forever." That's what we call a strawman. I care, man. I care because there's value in an extra year. I care because it looks like a waste of value for no reason other than placate the annoyingly vocal shortsighted side of the fanbase. There's no logical reason to waste a year of service time for a team 32 games under .500.

You think if you include defense, Gonzalez > Jimenez? Delete your account.

Rebuilding or not, this guy is a garbage ass coach. He constantly makes questionable decisions. He makes himself look like an ass regularly with his hustle rules. They can't keep this dude as manager. It's time.

Well you can sit on your couch all depressed that Kopech is making his debut while the rest of us are on the edge of our seats watching our young phenom make his dreams come true.

There is absolutely zero reason for Hahn to publically announce a timeline other than to appease bitter fans who want to hold him accountable. The reality is the timeline is fluid and will change as guys develop and/or bust. We’re still way too early into the process to know with any level of certainty when the window will officially open. I’m sure they’re hoping internally for 2020 to be the first year of serious contention, but as has been mentioned in this thread multiple times, the first wave has developed slower than expected and that creates more uncertainty. And that uncertain is a big reason why it appears they won’t be calling up Jiménez & Kopech this year, which I applaud Rick for. No need to rush this rebuild in a half-ass attempt to hit some imaginary deadline.

Good god man. Go back and look at the articles around the time of the Sale and Eaton trade. The Sox front office was talking about this organization being a team to reckon with in 2019/2020. Now the window is supposed to start in 2022? If that is the case, then just avoid the inevitable and fire Hahn and company now.

I’d put Eloy above him as the best overall OF prospect

He was absolutely not pitching well enough to deserve a callup at the trade deadline. He is now.

No offense, but this is just stupid.

Like the move at this time or don’t like it you must admit it has fans interest up

God I'll miss Hawk

I'm enjoying not hearing bennetti's stupidity

It's the way you phrased it man. It sounds like you are concerned that the Sox are gonna lose a top 50 prospect 5 years down the line when the Sox are trying to trade Kopech ala the Sale deal. The prospect hoarding and teardown part of the rebuild are ovah! Some of us would like to see a competitve Sox team within the next few years. Bringing Kopech up now and getting him some mlb experience moves the needle towards that.

Disagree. His OBP is low, probably will always be like that, but you don't give up 20+ HR 60 RBI+ and average to above average defense at SS. On a good team, Anderson would be the perfect 9 hitter.

Is Ricky going to go on some crazy good-managing streak now???

1. I'd look outside of the organization for a better replacement. Can't be too hard to beat a sub .300 OBP player. 2. Timmy's OBP isn't league average its well below. This guy makes so many damn outs! 3. I don't feel Timmy can improve his OBP numbers by any great strides. He is what he is at this point. As stated earlier -- I think it wouldn't be too hard to replace him. We love the HR/SB numbers, but how many outs below average has resulted in negative runs? I will go more into this in the offseason and look deeper into the statistics and replacement level statistics. So i'll end that side of the rant there (i'll note that I'm only beginning to look deep into stats).

Maybe this is just them panicking after a nun outpitched their staff...

Konerko on Moncada: "Kind of tough to try to walk your way through the season. You have to show them you can swing the bat." Says young hitters have to swing bat first, walks come later.”

This. bringing kopech up makes sense because of his development. We want this kid to become a 200ip pitcher

This is awesome. I love the people mad about this. The argument is that service time is quantifiable but pissing off players & agents isn’t so it doesn’t exist. Not my money so I can’t pretend to be mad or upset.

Sox win this game doggy style. A come from behind win!

These guys need to come up when they ready. If they reach their potential they’ll either be resigned or traded for a haul. There is no loss here.

Worth noting that the CBA will be renegotiated before these guys potentially reach free agency and all the monkeying around with service time happening now may not even matter.

It seems a little unfair to criticize Benetti, in this context. He is not an ex player. He has has his own strengths, as well. He has a good voice, is a pretty well rounded and intelligent young man. It's the difference between being a "play by play" announcer, versus a "color" broadcaster.

This might be the move that finally makes me turn on Hahn.

If Shields being dealt was a must before Kopech was called up then Hahn is an idiot. You bullpen or DFA shields and give Kopech starts right after the trade deadline.

Could see the Cubs wanting him now

I feel like he is the type of guy that wouldn't respond well to being kept down just for another year of control. It would probably hurt any chance we had of keeping him after the control as well as his mentality towards the team overall. I think Eloy might be different where he understands it more and would be more likely to agree to an early extension anyway, so I want to keep him down for the extra year.

Huh? He’ll be 22 going on 23 when he’s promoted in mid-April. Not absurd at all. In fact, it’s nearly the same exact age in which Carlos Rodon made his debut.

Girardi

When Hansen played at 23 ( Moncada's current age) he had a wRC+ of 35. At 24 last season between the Pirates and Sox Hansen's wRC+ was 59. Thank you for pointing out that despite his struggles, Moncada is better than Hansen was at 23. And Moncada has much more talent.

Biked up Mt. Rainier yesterday with some friends. Damn, that was grueling.

I can’t remember a poster in all my years here who brought less to the table than Tommy Longo. Like we have to go back to Marty34 to find someone who combined a negative outlook with illogical reasoning for everything they argued. This Gorman/Madrigal bet has got to be one of the single dumbest attempts to rip a player I have ever seen. But this is the internet and people love being dumb, loud, & proud.

Like when the team wants you to wear uniforms that prevent you from doing your job well? I think I will gladly take the elite talent every time. Sale is a H-O-F type player and the best pitcher the Sox have had in my 36 years. The fact that they had to trade him because they couldn't build around him still irritates me.

An extra year of control is not worth losing out on a month + of experience that he needs. If we are banking on having an extra year of control of both Eloy and Kopech to be good then we are doing something wrong. Pay them. That's all this crap about service time is. If they both are ready, and it appears like they are, then they both need to be in the majors to learn and get used to facing better players. You can't learn against the best until you are allowed to play the best

Just stop. He's not anywhere as bad defensively as you think.

I think I need to start re-evaluating Narvaez. THis is quite a stretch. I was at the detroit game where he hit a 3 run homer (i think his first of year?) and I laughed at how crazy that was. Now I'm like, expecting him to be our best hitter. I also think his success is good news for Collins. The theory being Narvaez has a wonderful batter eye, but for a while really weak power. So, you'd expect pitchers to just pound zone with strikes and make a player like that ineffective. But Narvaez still ended up with good OBPs because pitchers aren't that good at throwing strikes all the time! Now, Collins probably has as good or better judgment of the zone. But if pitchers challenge him he has the power Narvaez is showing now to make them pay more consistently.

It would be nice if he did not have the worst qualified ERA in the league in 2019.

What does that even mean? Have we been keeping him down for so long? Tell me how long we’ve been keeping him down? That is a ridiculous statement. They weren’t going to keep him down more than this year so your saying 2 years is keeping them down forever. Wow!

I really think the Sox are going to go out and sign an arm this offseason. Similiar to how the Cubs ponied up for Lester while they were still rebulding. 2019 should be the make it or break it year for Giolito and Lopez. Let's hope that at least one of them turns into a legit back of the rotation arm.

Dumb move, but some of the meatball fans will love this. Hopefully they get their asses out to the park as paying customers in August and September.

Hopefully bringing Kopech up means Shields is either in the process of being traded or DFA'd. This guy has no future with the Sox. It is well past time for him to go away.

He'll have Kopech throwing 94mph in no time

Wondering who gets sent down to Charlotte or moved up to Charlotte. I'm hoping Shields gets traded and Cease bumped to Charlotte for the last few weeks of the Milb season. Anyway, looking forward to watching Kopech's debut Tuesday night against the Twinkies.

Makes me wonder if they’re close to dealing Shields. It would be a slap in the face if they called up anyone else.

2021, which is exactly why they should trade Rodon. I think they could be competitive in 2020, win 80-85 games, but that wouldn't be enough to make the playoffs in the AL.

Can i have that crysyal ball of yours? I need to look into the future to see how my investments pan out

Sale had piss poor defense for most his years on the Sox, and lack of offense. His fits and frustrations make were ok with me. Management failed him and the fan base by drafting very poorly ,being cheap on free agency , and bad trades. Good luck to Chris and hopefully he wins a world series , big contract and hof. Also ZERO chance he even considers ever returning to the white Sox.