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He reminds me of a moron. Was Ken Blanks a moron?

I’m going to take one for the team but it’s worth it. You’re an imbecile see yall in a month everyone

SHUT THE FUCK UP DUDE. Your posts are garbage. UCL tears do not happen in one game. Coop did not cause an UCL tear on him by pitching him 14 innings. But let’s pretend Coop didn’t do his job because Hansen and Dunning is also hurt in the minors right? Let’s also ignore the fact that everyone was down on Rodon this time last year but he has recovered better than any of us cuz of thought. Typical garbage posts pretending sky is falling in time of adversity trying to find someone to blame. REAL MATURE.

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Yoan Moncada= Strike out king with less WAR on the year than David Bote Lucas Giolito= xFIP of 5.48. That is no bueno. Reynaldo Lopez=xFIP of 5.42. Not as bad as Giolito but still no bueno Michael Kopech= In the infirmary for the foreseeable future Luis Robert= No homers so far in full season minor league play and is built like the tin man. Nick Madrigal= No dingers or triples in 43 minor league games Jake Burger= Probably retore his achilles answering the door for his Dominoes Pizza delivery Carson Fulmer= Soon to be pursuing opportunities on the traveling swim meet circuit as a goggle salesman. Letting Rick Hahn and company architect this rebuild was a terrible decision. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?

Woah, take it easy there tough guy. No one is gloating here. Sometimes the truth really does sting. I'm an authentic fan! I want this organization to win another WS in my lifetime. That is never going to happen under this current regime and it is becoming more and more clear with each passing day. People are already talking about trading Rodon on here and how the Kopech injury is gonna push back the rebuild window a couple years. Why delay what seems inevitable at this point? Fire Hahn and company and hire some people who actually know what they are doing.

I knew you would be on here gloating in the wake of this terrible news and you didn’t disappoint. This must be the best day of your year, you fake f***ing fan.

inchlong is a boring troll. Yawn.

You are gonna get flamed for this post man. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Moncada. Everything is going according to plan with him. Just be patient. He will be putting up numbers that put Javy Baez to shame in two years.

Go look at the Yankees and the Athletics, the 2 teams that are going to take the AL Wild Card this year, and ask yourself if your roster comes anywhere close to measuring up to them. Severino, Judge, Torres, Stanton, Chapman, and $50 million+ to play with this offseason, and they're a wild card team. Really, you think you're going to sneak into a wild card spot in this league with Moustakas and Cargo? Not with these teams. If you're going to sign someone, fine. Clearly we have to sign 2 starting pitchers minimum, we simply don't have the horses right now to even field a roster. But don't even think about the Wild Card while doing it, think about the holes you have and flipping guys only. If some magic happens and Moncada outplays Trout next year, then great, but you can't make business decisions where a key part of it is "and then a miracle occurs".

Enough of the excuses. This team was expected to be ready to get after it in 2020. Maybe Rick Hahn and company are in over their heads and not the right guys for the job?

The inability of the front office to develop young talent is why the rebuild was necessary, yet that same front office is now in charge of developing young talent again. Really is mind blowing, but you cant fire the owner so here we are.

I'm just here for the hot taeks.

This Kopech news has hit me hard, but the worst part without question is having to endure Tommy Longo trying to use this as part of his agenda. Rick Hahn did NOT cause the tear in Kopech’s UCL and using that against him is just plain trolling.

I do agree, there isn’t another organization in baseball that would have let RH do a rebuild after seeing his previous results. It makes me very skeptical. As for the other stuff, all true, but....that is part of development. If you are all in on a rebuild, you have to expect things like this, not everyone will work out. Some will get hurt, some will suck, some will improve and be what they were projected to be. It takes a little while and a lot of luck. We just have to hope Ricks previous results are no indication as to how this will work out, or we all are going to be pretty upset.

Oh, so the actual prospects were determined by you after the fact. Basabe was hitting 258 in A ball when they acquired him. By your philosophy of batting average and contact, he shoudn't have been considered an actual prospect, so don't count him on your list. Hind sight is 20/20.

I'm beginning to wonder if this young man is capable of learning. It has been brought to his attention, by coaches and teammates that he needs to be more aggressive, in two strike counts. Yet, he continues to take called third strikes. I'm sorry, but being a good baseball player requires a certain degree of baseball smarts, or acumen. He better wake up and begin to figure that out, or this League is going to eat him up. If we, as fans, can see this, you have to wonder why he can't. He also continues to try to pull everything. Anderson has discovered that there are a lot of base hits, to be derived from taking outside pitches to the opposite field. Moncada can't seem to grasp that. I've said it before, but despite taking a lot of pitches, far too many of his at bats are not good at bats. Is anyone else getting tired of his stubborn insistence on doing the same things, over and over again, in spite of less than acceptable results? Do you think that the Boston front office might have thought that he was a "head case"? What a waste of talent? I don't know what Madrigal will amount to, but his baseball acumen will be a refreshing change, after watching Moncada. I. apologize for the rant, but it's getting hard to take, especially after the let down over Kopech.

How he's a. still allowed to post, and b. actually being taken seriously is beyond me. Literally every. single. one. of his posts are just fear mongering negativity. It's not even a well-hidden troll job

U guys really think this guy has had a good year and shown improvement from last year? When I look at his stats I see a barely above replacement player who has a lower wRC than heavy hitters like Alen Hanson. Nothing about this kid screams elite to me. Go watch Atlanta, NY, or the Nats if you want to see some truly elite young talent.

Posting on a board is for enjoyment and information. It is not a legal nor ethical right. Those countries have a few more issues than posting on a privately held website. We are going back to ad absurdum discussions again.

I would have banned Tom Party a long time ago. He's clearly trolling. His whole persona is about incitement. Not my board though.

You forgot posts worth reading = 0.

Yes it was; good question.

I figured the news about Kopech would have brought Greg back. Seriously, he hasn't posted since they started winning.

Going to be very quick because I’m home on leave for the weekend, but I really don’t share the pessimism for 2019. Next year was more about Moncada/Anderson/Rodon/Giolito/ Lopez making progress. Kopech was a hell of a nice topper, but if those other guys didn’t progress as expected, it was going to be meaningless. Let’s sign a few FAs, call up Eloy two weeks in, and win 86 games and shoot for the second WC. Be ready to dominate in 2020 when Kopech returns and Cease, Madrigal and others join us. Keep your heads up.

The epic fail was thinking this needed it's own post, let alone it's own thread. There is a section of Soxtalk that needs a binky.

@greg775 where are you? We need you more than ever

Im going to have to disagree with you on this. For one, I fucking hate the ENTIRE front office of this team with the FIRE of 1,000 suns. I hate them, because these Forest Fucking Gumps in the front office keep fucking up. Secondly, a fan could give them a mulligan for making "one" poor judgement in terms of bringing up a prospect too early. Say, Carson Fulmer, for example. A patient man could forgive them for screwing up a second call up, such as bringing up Moncada WAY too early. But, when "bad luck" keeps happening with callups, it's a trend. This front office could screw up a cup of coffee. There is/was a cost-benefit risk to stupidly bringing up Kopech for a few measly starts vs. AAAA comp, while squandering service time. A blind, drunk monkey could have seen that there is/was miniscule potential reward to squandering service time, while there is/was a clear and present risk to the organization by squandering Kopech's (or Moncada's) potential. In other words, just fire everyone in the FO, and find people who aren't imbeciles to get us out of this ongoing nightmare.

Ironic, coming from the guy who thinks Tim Anderson isn't good solely due to his OBP

This is NOT Moncada's 1st year in the bigs. He had 199 AB's last year and now has a total of 722 for his career. His BA this year is lower than it was last year. How many at bats does he need to prove himself? 1000? 2000? By the way, he now holds the MLB record for most strikeouts in a season by a switch hitter.

I don't agree with this. There was the one called third strike today. Other than that, over the past month or so, it has barely happened relative to May/June

I woke up from a nap to this news the other day. Had to wipe my eyes because I thought it was a spam account. Truly unbelievable. The White Sox can’t have nice things. How many guys have gotten hurt this year? Seems like every major prospect. Just an absolute Mike Tyson level gut punch. Just as I was starting to get excited for the off-season and the rotation next year. This is why you throw a large volume of pitching prospects in the system. The silver lining is it happened now and not when they were competing. Get well Kopech. See ya in 2020!

Yep. Dude still hasn't played in a playoff game though. Angels FO is a clown college.

You are wrong sir. No love for the Cubbies from me and tagging bathroom stalls is against the law. I called Carla for a good time back in 99 at the Rainbow on Division and Damen. Still waiting for her to call me back...

This is a general question. Half of the league is seemingly rebuilding, or on the verge of hopping on that bandwagon. How is the Sox rebuild special? Cubs, Rays, Astros rebuilds are always pointed to as examples of successful rebuilds- but they were ahead of the curve. Now everyone is doing it.

The Astros broke out in 2015 and made the playoffs, before winning the title in 2017. They had Keuchel under control for 4 seasons during their competitive stretch, 2015-2018. He was still pre-arbitration during 2015 when they made the playoffs. Rodon's last pre-arbitration year was 2017.

So you are pretty much okay with punting away the 2020 and 2021 seasons? A trade of Rodon for more prospects is pretty much conceding those seasons.

This team still doesn't have a ton of positional talent on it, Eloy will make a difference but as a rookie he might still have a slump or two in him. 3b is being covered by a utility guy, our catcher was suspended for steroids, our middle infield is young and struggled a ton, CF is a black hole, we might have a decent DH, but our RF who was an all star last year was bad enough he could be nontendered this year, and our 1b has had the worst season of his career at age 31. Some of that might improve next year just by luck, but if we were thinking of getting to mid-80s wins next year, we'd get there because the strength on the organization would be a rough rotation led by Kopech and Rodon, with better depth at 3 and 4 than we have had in a decade. If that rotation stepped forwards then we could have surprised next year, but we just lost the key piece. .500 next year was already an "everything is going right" kinda setup, and this destroys that concept. Now just for 2019 we have 2 rotation slots to fill in addition to a bullpen that is at best inexperienced and a young lineup with a lot of holes. Kopech isn't going to come out and throw 200 innings in 2020 and he might not even be very effective, it takes a while to rebuild strength from this surgery. Madrigal in 2020 is a huge rush. Hopefully by then we're seeing serious progress from Moncada, we'll have some guys like Collins up, but the Winston-Salem team that is so talent loaded won't be ready to take over the OF and other spots until 2021.

The two main issues are worthwhile discussing since they seem to be impacting the rebuild: 1. Is the same front office that drove the franchise into the ditch it is now in capable of fixing the damage they did? 2. Given the past three seasons worth of injuries at the major and minor league level is there something that may be missing now from a training / conditioning standpoint? If you can't keep the guys you are counting on to anchor the rebuild healthy at all levels (including the major leagues) you have a serious issue. It is still to early to call the rebuild a success or a failure. The next two years, I think, will help determine that. If at the end of the 2020 season the Sox are still floating around the 60-65 win mark, then ownership (whomever that may be) is going to have to make a decision on the future of the front office and the direction this team needs to go in, in my opinion. I had hoped for some real improvement in the won/lost column in 2019, not contention, not a winning season but real improvement. I'm afraid now that doesn't seem like a real possibility.

As long as you pass the BAR exam the degrees are equal. What is the pass rate on the BAR for each school?

The universe just told us " You can't have nice things! " The light has now been covered by a dense fog. ( Kopech torn UCL for future reference to this thread). Sigh.

Well I guess if you want to just count the players you want to count and ignore all of the players they actually acquired, you can use any number you care to.

I don't, but for me it raises huge red flags when a position player can't hit .240 over a season in the minors. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd be a non-prospect. He's a non-prospect. He isn't Courtney Hawkins bad, but he's not that far off. If he was hitting .270 that would be a different story. I'd love to see Adam Dunn's minor league numbers for comparison.

If you want to base performance strictly on batting average that is your prerogative.

I'm a physical therapist and athletic trainer. I've been treating athletes for 30 years. If you read the previous posts, I'm the one defending deadlifts and say they aren't an issue.

You're right. A real pitcher would pitch until he tore both arms.

This particular activity is all legs and is fine. I cant say that I agree with them all.

This staff's body of work sucks donkey dick. The data points keep coming in and as a bayesian I value the more recent data points exponetially more than the ones from 5-10 years ago. Cooper is living on borrowed time. So is this entire FO. Blow it up. Hahn has failed. The rebuild is a disaster right now. You've pissed off Eloy, you've blown out Kopech, you've not developed anybody to any degree of success this year and meanwhile you've got a softball coach as the manager.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore

I think Moncada is about to go on a tear to finish the season. He's starting to adjust to how pitchers are attacking him.