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  1. That sort of deal makes no sense. The White Sox won’t forfeit their 2nd rounder for one year of Conforto. Also, nobody should be counting on Cespedes or Colas for anything. Either guy would be a bonus.
    7 points
  2. Bruce Levine is an idiot.....but he's not an idiot when says something I want to hear!
    6 points
  3. I agree. Everything I read calls Conforto an above-average bat and passable right fielder. The Sheets/Vaughn/Engel "combo platter" would be considerably better than "above average" IMO. The "combo platter" would give us a similar defense as Jermayne Dye. Not great but I'll take it if we can get a massive upgrade at 2nd and pitching.
    4 points
  4. Vaughn, Sheets, Grandal, Eloy, Abreu, and Collins can't play RF either. Engel shouldn't be counted on to start regularly after last season. Sox need a legit starting RF.
    4 points
  5. Yup. And let’s be honest, I think most people would be happy if Cespedes ended up being a solid 4th OF. As for Colas, the kid has never even played stateside. I really like Oscar’s potential, but if you’re worried about blocking him while contending for a World Series title then you probably shouldn’t be a major league GM. And finally, how many years do we need to go before Hahn realizes a left-handed power bat is a must for this offense? This team consistently gets beat up against tough RHP and that’s going to be a recurring obstacle come October. Conforto is fucking elite against RHP while not killing you defensively in RF. Given his expected price, this is the most logical free agent target since Grandal & Wheeler. Honestly, if Hahn can land Conforto, a solid 2B, and a quality SP prior to Opening Day then I’m moving back to Chicago cause this team is winning the World Series next year. Get this the fuck done Hahn!
    3 points
  6. He refuses to entertain any thought that Kimbrel is moveable. At least he’s consistent.
    3 points
  7. Good. Best realistic fit on the FA market since Grandal. Hope Sox make it happen. I’d be tickled, just as I was with Yaz.
    3 points
  8. Also relying on Adam Engel to stay healthy for any stretch of time wouks be a mistake. I like him too. He’s a perfect 4th of. But you can’t rely on him as anything more than a bench piece.
    3 points
  9. Abreu 1b, Vaughn LF, Eloy DH, Grandal C, Conforto RF, Sheets AAAA, Collins who gives a shit. Easy.
    3 points
  10. 3 points
  11. Eh.. Bengals got a gift TD from the no face call on Ramsay. I say it evened out. BUT agreed for a game that close it wasn't particularly exciting. Joe Burrow will be back though no doubt. And I hope the Bengals use damn near every pick they have on O-Line help.
    2 points
  12. Confotro was terrible last year, and the Mets, who are investing in their team, are still moving on from him. Reasonable chance he continues to decline going forward. His career OPS is .824. That’s fine, but it’s nothing special. And there isn’t much of a market for him, so, sure, easy enough to sign. The higher priority is SP, and, arguably, 2B. The Sox don’t need an ace; they need a solid 2/3 guy. Such pitchers were available in December at reasonable prices, and the FO wasn’t ready or they didn’t bother. Same with 2B. Sure they can trade for one. This FO never minds tacking on 1 or 2 extra young players to get the deal done; easy enough. Meanwhile, Sheets showed a lot of promise from the left side. He’d be on the first train out in one of the trades. We’ve seen players like Conforto before; we’ve seen this FO trade for veterans (and it's the same dudes: Hahn and Haber); and we’ve seen young for old exchanges. Generally not pretty.
    2 points
  13. The Sox of the mid 90s used to play rent a RF really well. Ellis Burks, DJ, Mike Devereaux, Danny Tartabull, Dave Matinez were all better than average, then came Maggs, then Dye. I guess the odds were bound to catch up with them. It looks like with Story not willing to change positions, the high priced 2B are probably all spoken for. I would rather they spend the cash on a 2B than RF, but would rather they spend it on a RF than pocket it.
    2 points
  14. The owners are hanging onto a lot of things right now. Ill take the over on $214M as ultimate luxury tax figure, but the scenario you just laid out is within a few million of that. Don’t sign Tepera and you’re there. Don’t trade for Bassitt - using @Chicago White Soxexample - and you’re there. Right now, we don’t even know for sure if there will the same form a luxury tax as we know it today. I get you always look for a contrarian angle, and we all have to admit the Sox commitments are getting close to max’d and certainly at franchise highs. But there will be room for the Sox to add $25M or so to payroll still. They also probably aren’t taking back 4 non minimum guys via trade (Bassit, Kemp, Marchan and Alvarado), plus signing Tepera. That’s pipe dream imo. But if Conforto (or another RF in that $ realm for purposes of argument) is the constant, the Sox can make the $ work. They’re not just going to roll the ball out as is when the lockout ends.
    2 points
  15. Yes I said the combo platter would hit .850 OPS which is not impossible given platoon advantages and obvious upside...it was you that compared them to Daniel Palka who was bad offensively and defensively. To suggest they would be legendarily bad is wrong. 1/3 of the innings will be played by an elite defender...and Vaughn who never played RF before was competent. Yes this is not perfect but neither is it terrible (and Conforto is NOT a good defender..-0.6 dWar). Anyway the larger point is you have limited resources to fix three holes...2b, RF and 5th starter. I'd rather see Combo +Rodon than Comforto + Keuchel.
    2 points
  16. How would they do at preventing runners from taking the extra base. Stopping runners from scoring from 2nd on a single, scoring from 1st on a double or going first to third on a single. Preventing runners from taking the extra base is kinda a big deal for a right fielder and It would be a god damn merry go round with Vaughn/Sheets in right field.
    2 points
  17. Three non top 100 prospects isn’t getting you Ketel Marte.
    2 points
  18. Those Sox teams had Scott Podsednik in LF his first three seasons and Dye’s defense was epically bad and value destroying. He’s a great comp for what we might expect defensively from a Vaughn/Sheets combo but a horrible justification for why they make sense for RF.
    2 points
  19. I have no doubt he will rebound next season.
    2 points
  20. We don’t know what it is though.
    2 points
  21. How exactly is adding a quality right fielder to a team that hasn’t had a quality right fielder in years a lazy move?
    2 points
  22. Conforto makes too much sense, similar to how Grandal made too much sense a couple years ago.
    2 points
  23. I've always liked Comforto but primarily for his bat. I'm guessing he could be expected to play better RF then a Sheets/Vaughn/Engel combo but how much so is anyone's guess. I'm less convinced that he would be a significant improvement offensively over the combo platter, as I have high expectations for them in '22. I am however entirely convinced that Marte would be a major improvement over Leury or any other potentially available 2B options. in a vacuum and all things being equal, I'd prefer Marte over Comforto.
    2 points
  24. Sheets has no range and no feel for the OF. Vaughn is too slow to cover the gaps in RF. I don’t trust Engel to stay healthy or to be worthy of regular ABs. Robert already has to make up for Eloy’s deficiencies in LF, and has already had one serious lower body injury. Expecting/requiring Robert to cover for two terrible corner OFs every single game is too much to ask. It’s begging for another injury. It is far more sensible to sign/acquire a real RF instead of running out a bad 1B, a good 1B/decent LF, and an unreliable 4th OF and pretending as if that is acceptable for division champ looking to make a deep playoff run. The likelihood of that arrangement turning out well is very very low IMO.
    2 points
  25. So the same guy who said that the SOX were "checking in on Semien" is now "linking the SOX to Conforto." Color me dubious, though I'd be pleased if it were to happen. I'd rather roll dice on Suzuki, and sign Villar (15 HR v RHP last year) for 2B. Figure ~$9M * 4 for a gold glove RFer, and ~$3.5/1 + an option for Villar. Leaves room to find another SP, and also room to send money along with Kimbrel to have him fuck off, and preserves whatever scant resources are available in the 30th ranked system for other moves.
    2 points
  26. Just spending money on Conforto > giving up prospects.
    2 points
  27. Yup. Left hand hitting RF that shouldn't be too costly and isn't a total liability defensively. Sounds like exactly what the Sox need.
    2 points
  28. Sox also need a left-handed bat. Conforto is a perfect fit for us.
    2 points
  29. Well luckily 4 of those 6 will still be in the lineup, Sheets can go to AAA to be depth, and who cares about at bats for Collins.
    2 points
  30. I have nothing against Conforto if we are going to spend money on a right fielder. However...Vaughn, Sheets, Grandal, Eloy, Abreu, and Collins can't all be the DH. I've stated earlier that I prefer using Vaughn and Sheets in a platoon with late-inning assistance from Engel. Use the money on other areas of need being pitching, 2nd base, and perhaps a backup catcher if a good defensive catcher can be found.
    2 points
  31. I feel like many of the bigger name guys who didn't sign yet were guys who were waiting to make sure this existed as it would change their markets. Schwarber, Castellanos, Conforto, Soler.
    2 points
  32. Sox long play of hoarding DHs finally paying off.
    2 points
  33. Also, maybe this gives Yermin a sliver of trade value.
    2 points
  34. Something seemed off about the whole experience tonight. Both teams played bad and holy shit was Collinsworth bad in the 4th quarter.
    1 point
  35. I think everyone agrees that Conforto makes sense if we didn't already have Vaughn/Sheets/Engel. Since we only have the resource to pick one high-priced RF or 2B. It's like saying would you prefer seeing Vaughn/Sheets or Garcia play every day.
    1 point
  36. Ugh. Hahn seriously has to finally clear all this up. I feel like the DH/1B/RF gang is like a huge kidney stone the Sox have to pass.
    1 point
  37. You know how I feel about the Kimbrel deal so I’m not going to address that again, but let’s look at the tax number. Right now the White Sox have about $15 million in space according to Spotrac. The Owners number submitted has a $4 million increase, so let’s just go with $20 million as a starting point. You ship Kimbrel out, so $36 million is available. You add Conforto at $20 million, about $10.5 million for Kemp and Bassitt, $2 million for Marchan, and $5 million for Tepera. You have added $37.5 million, using estimates for the arb guys that could still be low? That is over the tax line proposed by the owners by several million. Counting minimum salary guys and the fact that some people will probably hit the IL, this is only under the tax line of the tax goes up to at least $220 million this season, and it could be a very close call at that level, while the owners are hanging at $214 million so far.
    1 point
  38. I mean, sure. But why on earth do you think the A's would do that deal?
    1 point
  39. If they could pull this off it would be perfect IMO. Addresses the two biggest needs with good fits. Balances the roster fairly well. I would be ecstatic to roll into the season with this roster.
    1 point
  40. Engel has proven he can’t be relied on to stay healthy over the course of a full season. He’s an excellent 4th OF and late game defensive replacement for Eloy and should not be used for anything more than that baring injury.
    1 point
  41. I actually think that, if Engel can remain healthy, he could be atleast an average hitter with some pop (and we all knew what he can do defensively). He showed flashes of it in a shortened 2020. Last year was his chance to prove it over a full season but injuries got to him. The problem is, Sox are in no position for tryouts, and they need a lefty. Engel will have to serve as our primary backup OF...at least to start.
    1 point
  42. Sheets/Vaughn/Engel combo in RF and Marte at 2B and it isn't close IMO. The question is what do we give up for Marte that doesn't include Vaughn. I might give up Vaughn in a Marte deal and live with Engel/Sheets.
    1 point
  43. I care about left-handed catching Collins until we have a suitable replacement and Sheets is not going to be at AAA. Trades and acquisitions are going to happen in abundance so there is no telling what will happen. Vaughn will be in high demand and might get moved to help us attain a more balanced roster. Also, Burger is blocked so might be used to trade for someone's blocked second baseman.
    1 point
  44. Comforto is a much better defender than the other 3.
    1 point
  45. But it is their own fault they are in this situation. They had a pitcher batting anyway, so any warm body should give them more production.
    1 point
  46. I would still be surprised if this goes into effect this year. Talk about putting NL teams behind the 8-ball. Ok you have 2 weeks and a diminished FA pool to radically change the structure of your team. Go get em, Boys!
    1 point
  47. Good news. Makes the games more watchable, cuts down on risk to pitchers, and gives more guys an opportunity to play.
    1 point
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