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Welp… I sure am glad to have decided to take hi8is jr to the Dodgers game tonight instead of watching this horse s%*#. Dude. I can’t believe my son and I were there live when Pujos hit 699 and 700. The little guy talked me into going to get nachos in the third inning… so when Albert hit 700, we got to celebrate in that line. 😆 About 20 seconds before he hit it I sent my best friend this text: “I’m in line to get nachos for 20 bucks and Pujos is up again already. So he’ll probably do it now that we’re not watching.” Three minutes later… CRACK! Fucking priceless.

Sox medical staff and Hahn should be replaced based on this perplexing handling of Robert. Absolutely absurd.

Diekman was trash before the Sox traded for him. And the Sox chose to sign Kelly knowing he was hurt. Both horrendous moves at the time they were made.

If he needed rest why did it take a month to IL him? Rick Hahn retire b****

They completely screwed up Robert's season, just a complete clown show.

There are other ways of motivating players other than butt-kicking, but the very fact that they need butt-kicking in the first place sums up their lack of desire.

You can all bet your dicks that if they had swept Cleveland and they were in a position to get into the playoffs, he would have miraculously been cleared by the last series before the playoffs were to start.

LOL I wasn't saying Tim is going to be traded just that it was a possibility. No one is untouchable . When I was asked who would play SS the correct answer should've been how the heck would I know , but I gave him an example.

The idea that a team could spend this much money and disappoint this badly again and the GM could have this terrible of a record and they just say ho-hum everything is going to plan is just baffling.

Knowing our luck we will end up with Chris Getz as GM and Willy Harris as Manager

He just isn't the guy for this team. But it also reveals that it isn't all on Tony.

I’m not questioning your locker room credentials I’m questioning your blanket biased statement. Perhaps they should bring in a bunch of thugs like the NFL. In between drug suspensions and off the field criminal activities you better have a deep bench of them.

Bellinger and I guess Manaea.

Only 4 game sample size but after 2 HR's and a double today Colas' line is .389, .421, .778, 1.199

Looks like Colas hit 2 HR's and a double . 3/5 now . If my calculation are correct his line is .389, .421, .778, 1.199 in the 4 game sample size.

The Sox need to hire a permanent TV PBP man. I don't think Benneti logged 100 games this year.

The Sox will never run short on f*** yous to their dwindling fan base.

What Francona has done with a 66 million payroll (27th ranked), youngest team in baseball and brought up 14 rookies to their big league roster; is nothing less than brilliant. Oh btw, for those us that complained that the reason the Sox offense was so poor, was due to a lack of home runs...well guess what...Cleveland is 29th in home runs. Go figure! I guess there are other ways to win baseball games! I guess that might be referred to as smart baseball fundamentals.

The bad White Sox season is limping to a close, maybe the team can put together a small winning streak to end somewhat on a positive note.

A talent evaluator brought into the FO would be a welcome addition. We obviously aren't very good at that.

Hiring Mike Chernoff from Cleveland and making him President of Baseball Ops would be a massive HOME RUN and the start of building the White Sox into a championship team and one of the greatest executive moves in White Sox history. Chernoff checks all the boxes. 1. Graduated from Princeton University with a degree in Economics. 2. Played shortstop at Princeton 3. Took an internship with Cleveland, right after graduating from Princeton. As a result, he has risen through the Cleveland organization from the ground floor level performing all type of FO duties. His first job - Intern to Asst. GM - He was responsible for starting the analytics dept. which Cleveland did not have. - Assisted in trade negotiations and arbitration dealings. - Interacted with pro scouts and input their reports into the organization's system - Assisted in just about every major FO activity As a result, was hired and promoted full time in the following roles: - Asst. Director of Baseball Ops - Director of Baseball Ops - Asst. General Manager - General Manager The accomplishments: - Has the youngest baseball team in MLB (Only two players over 30 yrs old) - Promoted 14 rookies to big league roster, #1 most rookies in 2022 - Working with the 27th ranked payroll (66 million) - Produced first place 84-67 W-L division record - Built the #3 ranked farm system It's really simple! You take Chernoff who has performed all the necessary front office critical duties in a winning organization, where they didn't have the money to spend and had to be great at scouting, drafting and developing their prospects in the farm system...and then you let him actually spend serious money, like a team in the #3 largest market should be spending...and you have the start of something BIG! I know Reinsdorf is probably too demented, ignorant and stubborn to see this logic and make this kind of bold move, but this kind of move is so desperately needed. The fact is, this major FO move needs to occur long before you can talk about all your trades, FA signings, arbitration signings, bringing up players from the farm system, etc. Since this loser owner isn't going anywhere until he dies, you need to get this organization FIXED at the TOP and work down! Note to Jerry: this guy would need 100 percent control without you getting at all involved, other than you handing him his total budget and payroll!

Yes, and this is just an indication of how this situation was botched. This team is so poorly run and needs a strong manager in the dugout badly. Preferably, a manager with experience and no ties to the White Sox.

I don't think we necessarily disagree here, but are looking from different points of view. To me, the White Sox chose to enter the season with little to no depth. That is on them. What I'm saying is, I don't want to hear the White Sox whining about injuries, when they 100% chose to go down this road with an injury prone roster and little to no depth to back it up.

Dodgers announced tonight that Kimbrel has been demoted from the closer role. Another great Hahn talent evaluation that doesn’t pan out albeit in another team.

Who fucking cares

And you surmised all that because he didn’t give you a Twitter thread on Tony La Russa’s DUI arrest 2 years ago. Just LOL.

Its impressive how you twist every single post into an attack on Tony regardless of the context. For a guy who hasn’t even coached the team in a month now, its getting a little concerning. Find some new material.

My plan? Sit around, do nothing, wait for baseball and complain about everything the entire winter. Probably drink some beer while I am at it.

It has been an organization wide problem for decades. Ricky held players accountable, but was allegedly fired in part because he team did not improve with fundamentals. Tony was supposed to do improve fundamentals and hold players accountable, but did neither. Unwritten rules bullshit (Yermin, Bean Balls) and taking care of his guys were the only things Tony cared about during his tenure. The team regressed in defense, baserunning and opponent scouting and game plans under Tony. Veterans openly stated they were ignoring Tony, were playing whether Tony penciled them in the lineup or not. Younger players followed suit. Eloy says f*** DH, it's for old fat guys (check the mirror Eloy). See also Moncada's "efforts". Fans and media have blamed players for arrogance and reading their own press clippings (Tim "We're the best fucking team"), but the arrogance starts at the top with Rick Hahn. He had two smart moves in a decade; acquiring and flipping Adam Eaton, and convincing Jerry to pawn off the players inherited from Kenny to get a rebuild and several more accountability free years of employment via tanking/rebuild. Hahn has no demonstrable baseball acumen, ability to construct a roster, or hire people who can evaluate and develop players and trade/draft targets beyond Marco Paddy (also inherited from Kenny). Couple that with Jerry's arrogance and penny pinching that stole from Paddy's budget to save a few hundred thousand here and there on contract buyouts or trade acquisitions. Jerry also has starved the future pipeline by dumping a large portion of the scouting organization in 2020 and eschewing investing in analytics beyond hiring Tony's friend's son as a favor to Tony. Despite several years of high draft picks, the Sox farm system is once again bottom five in baseball. The Sox are also bottom five in scouting, training, strength and conditioning, talent development, talent evaluation (internal and external), defensive positioning, analytics, draft performance, free agent acquisitions, fundamentals, defensive metrics, plate discipline, advance team scouting and opponent game plans. It's also a bottom five destination for free agents beyond players seeking their last contract with nowhere else to go. Players around the league talk and note the bullshit, be it the pre-tanking Sox with LaRoche and other crap, or the past few years with Tony. Same thing happened to the Bulls with Jerry overseeing the day to day, solid veterans refused to come despite cap space, the ones who did had no better alternatives (winning or basketball culture) due to the dysfunctional incompetent organizational mess over the past few decades. This is a reflection of Jerry. his permanent FO righthand men, and his crony managerial hire that blew up in his face. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18, KJV Go Blow Rick!

Raw talent with no refinement. Bad habits allowed to persist. Lack of leadership to tell players otherwise AND hold them accountable.

KC and Detroit making front office moves, at least trying ... unlike this p.o.s. organization. Rick Hahn, worst GM in sports

Is the biggest problem with the White Sox actually a lack of talent or a lack of desire? Many of the players on the roster and in the system have or had the raw talent to be MLB players at a good level, I know the gaps at 2B and RF were not adequately addressed but the basic talents of these players projects to a much better season than this, most people at the start of the season were still predicting the Sox would win the Division. Even players like Moncada when he was acquired projected better than he has achieved, and so many players who come to the Sox as established MLB players perform below their career stats once on the South Side. Which leads me to think that the bigger problem is desire. The desire issue runs throughout the organisation not just the players. Does JR and do the FO really want to win another World Series? Are they really all in as a slogan from previous seasons said? As for the players, are they too comfortable and just happy to be MLB players, do they really have that burning desire to achieve. How many times have we heard this season one of the players say 'the season starts now', shortly to be followed by another abject collapse? How many of the injuries are really just accidents or caused by a lack of application to strength and conditioning over the off season. something that a player who really wants to achieve would apply themselves to wholeheartedly, example being Lance Lynn and his attitude to training. The Sox strike me as being happy go lucky in attitude, it would be nice to win something but hey we are in the Big League and still getting paid. Sorry for the long winded post!

Clevinger and I guess Bellinger. Don't like any of those OF options, though. And they need a catcher too.

Doubt that even matters all that much in baseball. 16th pick ,14th pick whatever. I'm sure there will be successes after the Sox pick and busts before it. A quick look at some of the AL guys in the All Star game this year , Judge was the 32nd pick in the 1st round, Trout was 25th pick in 1st round, Corey Seager 18th pick 1st round. Ty France 34th round, Jose Trevino 6th round, Santiago Espinal 10th round. TA was 17th pick ,1st round and many many players were Int'l signees. How many Int'l draft picks have the Sox signed that might possibly make an AS Team Robert, Abreu, but none of those guys were 16 yrs old when signed like Guerrero, Devers and Altuve who the Astros had turned away from their Venezuelan Academy twice before they signed him for $15,000. I bring up the 16 yr. olds because this is an area Reinsdorf has stuck his control into also. They don't want to sign 16 year olds plus JR liked to trade his Int'l draft money away on probably around 5 different occasions. They did sign Tatis, Jr. at 16 but traded him when he was 17 before he even played a game for them. JR was probably pissed they gave him $700K .

Bump

Especially the way our pitchers hold runners.

So far so Sox.

Recruit and steal away Mike Chertoff the GM of the Cleveland Guardians and make him president of White Sox baseball total operations. Tell Jerry he cannot get involved whatsoever, other than handing him a budget and payroll amount to spend. I would then trust Chertoff to hire the right manager, GM, and other key critical FO personnel.

I want to hear injuries destroyed this season, here's what we're doing about it.

It’s very hard to say how to proceed forward without knowing the budget. That being said, our needs are painfully obvious. Replace Tony with a competent manager Insert a new, modern day hitting coach Get all the 1B/DH types out of the OF Add a LH hitting OF to pair with Colas Acquire another quality SP (#3 type) Don’t get me wrong, I’d love adding a LH bat at 2B as well, but between Romy, Sosa, & Popeye it’s hard to imagine us investing heavily there. The biggest single decision that needs to be made is Abreu vs. Vaughn. I really struggle with the concept of losing a guy who plays everyday and provides 139 wRC+ type production and somehow being better. That being said, the fact he will be 36 next year and will probably want $15M+ should force our hand here (although likely won’t with Jerry in charge). His exit finally allows for Vaughn at 1B and Eloy at DH where they both belong. With that settled, we really only need two moves. To me, Nimmo is the guy we should be targeting for the OF. He doesn’t have a great arm and probably isn’t the best fit for RF long-term, but he can play there until Colas is ready. Once Oscar is called up in May, Nimmo shifts over to LF and Pollock moves to a 4th OF role. All that being said, I fully expect the Sox to go cheaper here. Conforto, Gallo, Joc, or Bellinger (who I expect will get non-tendered) all seem right up our alley and will be considerably less expensive. As for adding a SP, no idea what we do here, but we desperately need to add at this spot and it can’t be a VV type. I also think bringing back Cueto would be a mistake at his age. Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of sure-fire #3 SPs in this year’s free agent class. A lot of the guys who could theoretically make sense have legit question marks. A savvy GM would evaluate a group that includes Clevinger, Thor, Manaea, & Eovaldi and pick the one who will put up 4+ wins next years. That’s not Rick Hahn, who is more likely going to bet that Cueto or Quintana will repeat out of nowhere performances in their mid to late 30’s. That brings me to my last point which is that none of this really matters with Rick Hahn leading the charge. His past twelve months is some of the worst GMing I have ever seen. I can appreciate he got saddled with La Russa, who probably had more influence over roster decisions than many are willing to acknowledge. That being said, he is still the architect of this s%*#-show and has ignored the same handful of issues for years (lack of pitching depth, little LH hitting, playing guys out of position, etc). And even if you can’t fully blame him for signing obvious Tony guys like Leury & Kelly, he’s the guy negotiating the contracts and those are two of the worst deals I have ever seen at a conceptual level. If I could only have one move this off-season, it would be hiring someone like Mike Chernoff as President of Baseball Ops and let him install a brand new front office. Rick has proven time & time again that he can’t scout and lacks the vision to build a quality top-to-bottom organization. It’s officially time to get rid of this clown so we can start dominating the weakest division in all of sports.

Problem is, while I fundamentally agree, what good would it do to banish them to a place where they’re not going to have any sort of reinforcement of good habits? One problem is that players don’t get that sort of training in the minors, so what good does it really do other than to serve s as punitive punishment? It’s like telling someone they’re doing something wrong, but never telling them what is the right thing to do. Yeah, you hope they can figure it out, but it’s also on you for not showing some sort of direction.

I'd try to get Yoan to use a leg kick and stride. Get his body moving in motion generate some pop. He rarely moves his feet.He can't keep doing what he's doing. He's so still until he swings and makes no effort to reach or adjust if he's fooled.

He’ll be a better hitter when he’s not thinking about playing LF or RF every day. Stick him at 1b for 155 games.

And how slow our runners are. Almost impossible to get an infield hit, avoid a double play, go from 1st to 3 rd on a base hit, getting to catchable balls in the outfield, executing a hit and run, etc. and comparing to the Guardians we are a bad joke.

They suck specifically in ways that are coachable. Fundamentals. Approach. Motivation. Focus. Energy.

David Wills is a lifelong Chicago White Sox fan, born and raised in Oak Lawn. Did pre-post game for the Sox and filled in for Dan Rooney back in the day. Left here for a promotion to work full time for the Rays as lead broadcaster, switches PBP and color in game with Andy Freed. Dan Shulman is the Blue Jays announcer and previously also did Sunday Night Baseball. Both would provide a solid White Sox Broadcast without the cornball act, or Steve Stones vitriol against Sox fans. Broadcasting either all or a good number of games in Spanish (I’d also be for 40-50 games on WGN) over the air would help the Sox gain the growing number of fans vs and potential young fans among the growing number of people cutting cable. The Sox can take over the city over the next generation with the Cubs limited to the pricy Marquee Network. It would be a reversal of fortunes from the 1980s, when Jerry sent Sox or fans of both teams to the Cubs after he shifted all broadcast games to Sportsvision, and the Cubs had Superstation WGN. Would be smart to be the first team to present all games to the growing Spanish speaking fanbase, provides a venue for former Sox players to contribute, and non Spanish speaking fans can still watch. I watch the World Cup exclusively in Spanish, forgot the English speaking four letter network announcers.

I'm on board with this. Well thought out and logical. It pains me to let Abreu walk, but it is the right move. I would also DFA Leury and give anyone else a shot at 2B/Util. Yaz is also the backup and only the backup C, never DH and only an emergency 1B. Sunk costs/bad contracts don't entitle playing time when you suck.

Clearly a lack of talent. I'm sure we'll hear the "LaRussa sapped all the desire" line from the FO, via media/bloggers over the next few months.

That is what I meant by lack of desire by the organisation to ensure that raw talent developed, how many of the top draft picks from the losing years and beyond have actually reached their full potential and actually contributed to the MLB team?