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Sure did. Didn’t catch it outright unfortunately but got it off the bounce of someone who missed it.

I mean, Steve Stone also thought Tony was gonna make Hall of Fame moves.

See ya Tony. Thank you for ruining Sox baseball for many of us these past two years. A new manager is great, but if Hahn stays, who fucking cares. Dude is the worst GM in baseball. Do we really think he is magically going to figure out how to construct a roster finally next season? Unreal that he gets to pick the next manager. This team is basically the Detroit Lions at this point.

The Sox goal should be to have a top 5 scout, minor league coaching, analytic, and development staff in terms of comp. I don't care if there payroll is 15th in baseball - I want an org that manages its baseball people and strength and development and pays them and builds a unit with depth, expertise and specialization where appropriate. That should be the focus - if that means they cheap out $20M on payroll to fund it - so be it.

I'd also consider him at 3rd.

It only took until the 161st game, but I think the offensive breakout is finally happening

Love you Pito, always will. It will pain me to see you play elsewhere, but it’s the right move.

I like Abreu but 2014 Konerko was not fun or enjoyable. I wish we were like the Guardians and had a bunch of athletic, young, defensively sound players and getting a corner infielder in helps with the offense. But we’re a team with a bunch of 15 home run hitting DHs. You only have so many resources to go around.

Why are you looking at 2 years of data for one player and one for the other?

No to Ron Washinton.

f*** no: Davey Martinez, Pedro Grifol, Don Mattingly. No, but would continue the managerial drama at 35th and Shields and media hot air: Joe Maddon. Would be open to learning more / considering: Miguel Cairo, Sandy Alomar Jr., Will Venable. My choice: Joe Espada.

Rick Hahn built the most expensive bullpen in baseball and it ended up 20th in ERA. His committed money is still $50 million in the bullpen for next year. Schwarber signed for 4 years, $79 million, not $100 million. That's $7 million more than Yasmani Grandal 3 years ago. He couldn't afford it because Rick started the offseason at $180 million with a $16 million closer he needed to unload. I don't just b**** and moan about the players he doesn't get, I b**** and moan about the players he does get. They are both bad. Rick held on to a $16 million contract so he could trade it for a 2 year $30 million outfielder who ranked 40th out of 49 outfielders in fWAR. The Mets paid Mark Canha 2 years $26 million and got 2.5 WAR and a 126 wRC+. That's not $100 million. That's just deciding to not pick up the option on Kimbrel and going after Mark Canha. What's that? But Mark Canha's a LFer...oh no. The Royals got Benintendi and cash for a RFer for Franchy Cordero whom they acquired for a middle reliever. No prospects needed. Benintendi finished 18th out of 49 qualified outfielders and was paid $4.5 million. The Phillies took on Schwarber for $20 million, that would have cost the white sox not getting AJ Pollock AND Josh Harrison, but they would have gotten 20 more HRs from the left side. Tony Kemp, soxtalk soup de jour in the offseason to replace our 2b, was only barely outhit by pollock and his superior defense actually put him ahead of Pollock by 1 WAR. He made $10 million less. The fun thing about baseball is we have 29 other orgs that we can look at with similar circumstances and info and say, hey how are they doing compared to our org. The answer, unless you are the Rockies or Tigers...is better.

I don't buy this at all. Regression is bound to happen, but what are we regressing to? A world series champion? Hahn has shown the only pieces he is capable of putting money behind is an atrociously overpriced bullpen and 35 year old veterans. Another GM may be able to reconfigure the roster for better cohesion between offensive power and defensive production, without even bursting through 200 million. I know you will say the phillies new GM just spent through it and we can't, but they took over an operation that Dombrowski could have spent through as well. They hired the best hitting instructor in baseball, brought in big bats, and moved from 16th to 9th in wRC+ this year despite missing Harper for half of it and not getting 2nd half harper from last year. Some was regression, some wasn't. There are plenty of people that could have taken Hahns constraints and still thrived. We've said it before, but if you would have told us in 2019 we'd have a 180 million budget in 2022 we'd have been through the moon. And then if you'd have showed us what that roster looked like we would have looked bewildered. This roster just needs some tweaks but the only playbook hahn has will be more bullpen and sub $10 million flyers in RF/2b/SP

In this particular case the roster construction has more to do with it than Jose's age. Somebody out of Vaughn, Eloy, Sheets, and Abreu needs to go before we can get legitimate corner outfielders, and Abreu happens to be the oldest and most expensive. If it weren't for that I think most fans would be OK with Abreu growing old with us.

Cubs fan here (feel for you guys this yr, really do), but I came across this thread randomly and had to chime in. Been a score listener for 15 years or so, and I never thought I’d find someone I dislike more than the pretentious dbag that is Laurence Holmes but then Shane came along. What on earth was Mitch thinking when he got rid of Shep and hired Shane?! Shep wasn’t the best, was grumpy, and didn’t seem like the kinda guy you could enjoy a chat with over a few beers, but Shane blows him out of the water. First off this guys take on anything and everything is horrendous. He hates everything, and seems to only enjoy cooking meats. He’s absolutely obnoxious, not funny (his Mahomes impression makes me cringe every single time), doesn’t know Jack about sports, chimes in way too much for not being a host, and is overall one of the least relatable and unlikable humans on the planet. He s%*# talks everyone for having different takes/opinions which is funny considering his are so awful. I know a lot of people dislike parkins and danny Mac (esp after the ESPN reporter comment), but personally I loved that duo. Shep was okay and I think we can all agree Tanny is awesome and unbelievably good at his job..not a huge fan of Speigs but I love the guy as an overall good dude..so despite all the changes I stuck w/the show until Shane arrived. I guarantee that dude has like 3 friends total. Thank you for pointing this out and letting me rant a bit. Move over Holmes, you’re no longer king dbag at the score! Best of luck Sox fans. Once you get rid of the racist senior citizen coaching the team you’ll be back on track!

Let him finish tonight.

A clean inning from Diekman tomorrow and he might be able to get his ERA with the Sox under 7.

Yoan wears Billy Hamilton pajamas.

Yoan is a good to great 3B defensively....but he's no Billy Hamilton.

Billy Hamilton would've made that play.

Billy!!@@ My man!!!

Man I really want Andrus at second base next year for us.

No need to pander. I am just a not buying he can replace Jose.

Nice to see Lucas pitching well tonight, and the fans braving the final few cold games something to cheer for tonight, including Pito who hit his 40th double tonight. He needs to return in 2023. If the White Sox bail on Abreu and he signs with the Cubs, f*** this cursed franchise.

I say we got those Minnesota Twins right where we want 'em.

Being stuck with another year of Pollock is brutal.

Your last paragraph is crap. Tony was Jerry’s hire and the subsequent moves were at the behest of Tony. I’m not defending Hahn, because he’s a terrible GM who went into the season with 5 DHs without ever addressing the black holes on the team, the entire ownership and front office are incompetent.

He’s also a dude that’s already bet on himself and he cares deeply about his performance. I personally would expect Gio to bounce back in a major way next season.

Why are we acting like other teams think Vaughn is super valuable?

It's strange that the "endless injuries" narrative sticks to Moncada but not other players on the roster. Moncada has played 51 (likely to end the season at 53) more games than TA dating back to 2019. He has essentially the same fWAR as Abreu over that same time span. This is the first season of Moncada's career where he's been unavailable for an extended period of time.

Turns out the guy who wants to play every inning of every game, whether it's Spring Training, regular season, or the playoffs, does indeed want to continue playing baseball next season

No thank you. We need to hire someone who doesn’t have any ties to the organization and that will bring in fresh new ideas.

Go you White Sox!!@

There is a MASSIVE difference between can't and not willing to.

And what you clearly don’t want to admit is just because the payroll was $197M this season doesn’t mean that is a hard and fast limit for 2023. The difference between $197M and $200M is micenuts to an MLB org. Find somebody else to debate your meaningless line in the sand payroll limits all offseason with. It’s a worthless conversation. There is zero reason the Sox can’t spend $30M this offseason.

We’re in a big market. Their budget should be the $233 mill luxury tax number. But it unfortunately won’t be.

Rick Hahn is a little under the weather and apologizes he can't make it to today's Q & A session. However, we have Minnie Minoso's five year old great great grandson to speak on Rick Hahn's behalf, and answer any questions you may have for the organization.

No matter what way you slice the peach it’s gonna be bitter if Grandal, Moncada, Anderson, and Robert don’t come back strong. Add Gio, Bummer, Kopech, Lynn, and Kelly to that list while we’re at it. Woe is me.

Just some thoughts on today. I honestly appreciated TLR's candor and honesty. This had to be damn hard for him but he stood there and took questions. I e-mailed him to let him know that and I thanked him for the courtesy he showed me over the years. He actually responded which was very nice and unexpected. I loved the fact that maybe for the first time Hahn addressed things that have been upsetting Sox fans for a long time, to wit, hiring managers from only inside "the family" (what is this the Mafia?), and talking about the medical, training and conditioning staffs and if you read between the lines changes are coming in those areas. What I didn't like was the guy who is this close to having the eighth losing season in 10 years under his watch is still in a position of power. (And the Sox weren't always rebuilding in those years). And he immediately began to get defensive (you could almost see the hair standing up on the back of his neck) when questions along the lines of why he and others in the front office shouldn't be held responsible. You could tell he was getting frustrated. We'll see what happens, who is hired, which coaches are fired (pray: McEwing, Boston and the hitting coach are cashiered) and how Hahn can fix the huge holes in the roster with a limited budget (season ticket sales are going to drop and JR is going to lower the payroll over it). He doesn't have a lot of room to work with because of insane deals given to stiffs like Garcia, Kelly et al. and the trade for Diekman. It will be interesting.

The Sox have now scored three runs or less in 10 of their last 12 games, tonight marks the 81st time this season they've done that. That mean they have guaranteed themselves scoring three runs or less in 50% of games FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. Priority number one for the new manager, FIX THE DAMN OFFENSE.

People got off the juice and greenies and aging took over.

You got your 2nd place JR now fucking sell.

Hahn’s original sin was the bad Kimbrel trade that led to the bad Pollock trade. Madrigal was not expensive, and we already had a closer.

If he does bring Abreu back, Sheets has to go and they need an actual right fielder.

This. It will really suck. While it’s a no brainer decision, it’s still a bit of a I’ll believe it when I see it situation. Could definitely see Sox bringing back Abreu and trading AV for SP (would prefer a 2B if you go that route) or pretending like Eloy can play LF. I don’t think that’s be an optimal move, but definitely could see the JR override.

We should form a college of coaches. Gather together eight coaches from across the various disciplines and they can co-manage the team. I'd pick four from the MLB team and four from the MiLB system. In fact the eight would rotate through the entire system establishing a consistent managerial expectation throughout the organization. Even better this will allow for a relief manager just like a relief pitcher. If a manager is having a bad game or even falling asleep, a relief manager could take over. Let's also replace Hahn with a college style athletic director, preferably with no baseball experience. But keep him around for no apparent reason. Sometimes reality is funnier than comedy.

Cairo bringing in Jimmy Lambert in the 7 th to protect a 3-1 lead against the Guardians having ReyLo available, cost Cairo the job.

No one is arguing the players didn’t underperform. People want Hahn gone because he has failed to take a talented core and transform it into a serious championship contender. Last off-season was one of the worst executed plans I can remember in my 38 years on this earth. Rick Hahn had a team coming off a 93 win season but who was destroyed by a clearly stronger Astros team in the playoffs and failed to make any impactful moves. Instead, he let one of his best players leave for nothing and then spent $40M+ on a variety of role players. The issues with this roster were very clear coming into the season (Hahn even acknowledged most of them) and he still did nothing to address then. Honestly, the time for excuses is gone. If Rick isn’t going to swing for the fences during our competitive window, then he’s already admitted failure and he has no one to blame but himself for the lack of depth and shitty farm system. It’s a time for a change even if he’s not the sole reason for our struggles.

If you don't understand why projecting your religious beliefs on a sports team, in 2022, is a fucking ridiculous and idiotic thing, especially given how culturally diverse sports are, maybe you need to enter the 21st century? Holding anti-porn meetings and chastising players for having children out of wedlock, I'm sure, goes over really well with most young men today.😆