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Trading the 24 year old cost controlled future franchise cornerstone who's value is depressed due to playing out of position, and turning around and investing $15M+ for 2023 into a comparable 36 year old bat on the decline is.......very bad business. I lose Jose Abreu. Build him a statue. But this is not the route forward unless Miami wants to hand us Jazz Chisholm for AV, AND Jose will take a nice discount. Signing Jose also means we aren't getting an OF. Its just terrible asset allocation.

I know it’s easy for us to look down on the Royals and fear we are hiring cast-offs from a shitty org (pot meet kettle), but if we look past that bias Grifol and Tosar seem to have really good reputations and seem to have had past success helping hitters reach their potential. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air for the Sox org. Will it work? Who knows. KC bias aside they both like solid outside hires, and this insular org could use a lot more new blood.

Doesn’t take much to see that Hahn was taking shots at Tony there with what Pedro brings to the table

What does this mean?? So teams that aren't winning can't have good coaches? Sports are about talent. You can have the best coaches and if they don't have the talent it means nothing.

you got it dude!

I must be missing the joke about this statement, which is objectively true

Destroyed a playoff team

The “get gallo to hit his weight” challenge, year five

Harrison not coming back confirmed.

Probably but it's Perez himself who has given him some credit and of note, he started with Tosar the offseason prior to him hitting 48 home runs out of no where. Good players are good players though. Regardless, seems we're going to embrace a power approach.

This is the minor league forum. There is a 27 page thread discussing the hire in Pale Hose Talk.

Just reading to make sure Tony wasn't coming back.

Maybe don't make him play OF (which is a far more taxing position physically than 1B) and he won't fade at the end of the year.

Happy for a baseball lifer getting a shot.

So it sounds like TLR essentially woke up from a nap, haphazardly put together a lineup, stood around on the field during batting practice (most likely achieving some standing naps), and then napped in the dugout.

Them harping on communication and collaboration this much makes me think Tony just sat around in his office and didn't talk to anyone.

He's the first one that should have been shown the door.

Man, if he can unlock Eloy's power and get Moncada back to even near where he used to be... Vaughn, Robert, even Anderson...lots of work for this guy to do, but the rewards could be significant.

The guy worked with 2 players who couldn't untap their power potential and they both ended up hitting 48 homers after. I don't think that's some sort of coincidence.

Royals fans seem legitimately disappointed by this. I’d say that’s a pretty good sign.

the Hahn apologists are delusional and i have no idea why they continue to defend Hahn as if hes some sort of prisoner in our org

As bad as the LaRussa hire was, and there were signs the last couple of months of 2021 that things were headed sideways, I think Hahn's 2021 offseason was worse. OK, the Kimbrel trade didn't work out, but he compounds that by picking up the option and trading him for a guy who serves no purpose who is owed even more. He lets Rodon walk for nothing. He signs Valaszuez and Graveman. He becomes the most popular person in the Joe Kelly family history. Why is a team looking to win a championship counting on big production in RF from Gavin Sheets?

Some people are going to take what Hahn said here out of context. Doesn’t mean there won’t be any additions. Their just won’t be a fire sale of the team.

Can Hahn go with Menechino and Boston to the unemployment line?

Just some info regarding some of the comments: Matt Spiegel of 670 the Score reported that Daryl Boston will also not be returning. And it was Kenny Williams who JR personally told his parents that he would take care of him when the Sox were trying to get him to sign a contract instead of continuing to play football at Stanford.

Other than drunk nap in the dugout, seems pretty obvious that he did nothing.

Griftol saying that the Sox didn't have high energy last year. I guess that's what happens when Low Energy Tony is your manager.

This is no big deal. 1B coaches don't do anything anyway.

For the record, every tidbit I've taken and posted in here has been dated prior to these guys even being on the radar for the Sox.

More left handed savages will help even more.

I never understood the infatuation with hiring someone from a "winning organization". To me, it's a nothing burger. You see it all the time in all sports. In the NFL you get guys who are hired like the Broncos coach because he was tied to the Packers and Rodgers. As if Rodgers success is due to him, and not vice versa. Same thing with guys like Brady and Mahomes, etc. Inevitably they go to their new teams and fail and GM's do it over and over and over. You see the propensity to do this in the MLB too. As if the bench coach for the Astros is the reason their core is all succeeding. Not because they have the deepest pitching staff and murderers row with Yordan, Tucker, Bregman, Altuve, etc. etc. There's something to be said about learning from the "greats" and also being in a winning organization in terms of observing the ins and outs of a winning culture ... but all things considered I just don't think it's a big deal. There's enough thoughtful and talented people in MLB that if you have enough connections should be able to rise to the top through reputation. Hopefully this is one of those guys.

Fine. I will leave. You win. It's not fun anymore being a fan of this organization anyway. The Sox will never go anywhere with Hahn or Reinsdorf involved anyway. Life is too short to invest any more time in a product with diminishing marginal utility. My son won't grow up with a rooting interest in the Sox either, and the White Sox couldn't care less about that, so neither do I. I don't even have to put a curse of them...they manage to self-sabotage everything themselves.

Gotta say I much prefer a living manager to a corpse.

The issue is time frame. Better player in 2023.abreu, 2024.?, 2025 and beyond is AV

Terrible mindset, he still sucks at his job and should be gone based solely on his record as GM regardless of how shitty Jerry is.

Left text: signing a capable RFer Right text: signing yet another bullpen arm

The team was desperate for someone who bashes RHP. Rick gets Pollack. For the love of God how does he keep his job?

*Obligatory "better than taking shots WITH Tony!" joke*

The official medical designation is 'Low T'

If Griftol is just a decent manager, he'll look lightyears better than Tony. La Russa being out of the game for 10 years and him being 77 really put the Sox at a huge disadvantage every night.

So did Tony do anything at all last season?

And now Hahn basically confirms the offense wasn’t prepared game to game

Well, at least Hahn doesn't look like he's in a hostage video this time.

They need more than a "warm body, and I don't think they need to fill "several OF spots". Pollock is a perfectly fine stop gap in LF to Colas, and is actually a great platoon partner for him as he does still hit lefties well. The price point isn't ideal, but it is what it is. You have to assume he's on the roster until he's not, and if he's not, Sox suddenly have a few more million to play with. You know I want Nimmo. I doubt the Sox actually get him. But they need to at least get someone from the next tier of LH hitters - Benintendi, Conforto, Gallo, maybe Brantley though his defense would scare me.

What in the absolute f*** are you talking about.