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    2024 Priorities

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    42 minutes ago, poppysox said:

    Win the Central.  If Moncada, Eloy, and Robert play up to their potential...we will be right there.

    I'm going to play the what if game.....

    Bennintendi (Needs to regress to the norm of his career, if he does that's a solid lead off hitter)

    Moncada (Needs to stay healthy, if he can then you have a solid player)

    Robert (Super star)

    Eloy (Very capable of big numbers with High Average......stay Healthy)

    Vaughn ( Live up to the potential of a good hitter)

    Fletcher (Has hit everywhere he has been, including MLB last year)

    DeJong (He won't be there long before Montgomery takes over)

    Maldonado/Stassi

    Lopez/DeJong

     

    1-7 has the potential to be a good line-up with Montgomery BUT LOTS OF IF's

    Hendriks signs with Red Sox

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    21 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

    Anderson was never right after getting taken out by yet another ex Royal attempting to play 3B…

    Many people don't understand that Tim was pretty injured last year and tried to play  through it.

    He did his damage to himself but he cared about playing.

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    Sox trade Cristian Mena to Arizona for OF Dominic Fletcher

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Terrifies you ? A bit of hyperbole , yes?

    Doesn't seem as complicated or mystifying as you're making it out to be.

    You traded a young fast rising pitching prospect who rose fast because he can pitch beyond his years in a bad farm system so pretty easy to advance. Is he talented  ? Sure young enough to gain more command, maybe throw a little harder but hardly a surefire MLB SP. It is the 135 innings he's already pitching at his age that's most impressive. But this is a slow process of trying to build the MLB team and farm system at the same time. Your perception of Mena makes you strongly dislike the trade but he could end up a nothing. A lot of people didn't like trading that kid for Mazara either. Much ado about nothing as it turned out.

    Dominic Fletcher appears to be an MLB hitter. Sox don't have many of those in the OF who can also field. He's likely a minimum 2 War guy with 500 ABs . He has 6 years of control so that's pretty valuable.

    Getz had to get an OFer that fit his mold of defense. If you wanted a power hitting LH OF who plays good defense you weren't going to find one for Mena. That was supposed to come in a Cease trade. Maybe it still will along with a pitcher to replace Mena. But in the meantime you got the most talented hitter plus defense 4th OF guy for 6 more yrs. But right now he will be the starter.

    I'll guess if he gets 500 ABs and he's 2nd or 3rd among Sox position players with around 2.5 War.

    Getz likes doing multiplier trades. Bummer, Mena, Santos got back how many guys ? 9 and a draft pick right ?

    The 2024 and beyond Sox did get better with this trade and the coming Cease trade will perhaps fill the need for higher upside guys and a pitcher to replace Mena.

    This post makes too much sense.

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    The OF Thread

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    I'd like Getz to do at least one thing that Hahn was never able to do, get an average RF. It can't be that hard. 

    Apparently it's pretty hard for white sox to find RF and 2B

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    PUIG

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    5 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

    Pius is going to be 33 this year and hasn’t been in the majors or minors since 2019. There is nothing here that would make me think he would be a good addition.

    And other washed up old dudes would be according to many...

    Gallo

    Duvall 

    Etc...

    Gallo to Nats

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    Except you're asking for double the biggest contract in White Sox history when they don't have a rotation or bullpen (certainly with Santos looking iffy, even if he was 100% healthy as the closer) or a bench.

    You're betting your GM job right off the bat on being right...on someone there's a consensus he's simply not worth the $200 million he's asking for.

    You're paying at least a 25% premium for 2023 over-performance, and discarding 2020/21/22, exactly what they did with Benintendi, buying at an extreme high point and disregarding his 3 year stretch of struggling mightily.

     

    And that line-up doesn't look all that imposing at all from Robert/Bellinger on down...and God knows which version of Benintendi they get in 2024.

    If you have 2019-2022 Tim Anderson leading off instead of AB, sure, I might be more willing to agree.

     

    You're right 

    Don't sign anybody and keep shopping at scrap heap flea market.

    Man we find ways to make excuses for this s%*# organization 

    Gallo to Nats

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    37 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    But he loses a ton of value not playing CF.

    Robert has to be there to boost his trade value.

    And blocking the Cubs from getting him or winning the PR war with them is such a flimsy excuse.

    There are also numerous glaring issues with peripherals and his power numbers compared to 2019 MVP year.

    I could care less about blocking him from cubs.

    I posted this as what is good for White Sox.

    Play RF everyday.

    Fill in for Robert in CF when he has day off or DH'ing 

    Play 1B when Vaughn has day off or has to DH because Eloy is hurt

    Lineup:

    Bennintedi 

    Bellinger

    Robert

    Eloy

    Moncada 

    Vaughn 

    2B???

    Dejong/Montgomery 

    Maldonado/Stassi 

    All of a sudden that lineup looks pretty decent with him in it 

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    Gallo to Nats

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    The Sox would hand Bellinger $150M+ just for him to go back to the 70 wRC+ hitter he was in 21-22.  That deal would scare the living crap out of me.  Thankfully, the Sox won't be at the table of that one. 

    I think he is finally healthy again.  He provides you so much value defensively and offensively 

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    Gallo to Nats

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Cody Bellinger would be an awesome signing but then reality slaps me and reminds of the garbage organization that we are.

    All the excitement that I once/always had for the white sox has been sucked out of me with what has gone on in the last 2+ years.

    We are going to be so bad this year with the scrap heap of players we have signed so far........

    Benetti to Tigers

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

    As a broadcaster myself I always found Brennaman to be a tremendous broadcaster. The guy screwed up and said something he shouldn't have. He apologized.

    Everyone has said or done something that they regret, so should everyone get the rest of their life destroyed because of a mistake?

    He didn't murder someone, commit treason or pull off a pyramid scheme. 

    Talk about going overboard with a vendetta.

    The guy was good enough to work national games for Fox in different sports and to be a Major League broadcaster for a few teams. That's a better resume than most of the recent Sox broadcasters including Benetti when he was hired. (and I liked him personally and professionally)

    In my opinion the Sox could do a hell of a lot worse.

    What Brennaman did was wrong.

    However, we are human beings.  nobody is perfect and each one of us have made mistakes that we deeply regret.  However, it's what you do as a person after you make that mistake.  If he genuinely has grown as a person and changed his ways because of  the mistake he made then as every other Human being......he deserves another chance.  

    We are quick to cancel people and give up on people.  That is not what is taught in many cultures and religions.  

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