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    Starting Pitcher Wins Predictions

    in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub

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    So WHAT if it's August? You said he was incredible in the playoff run and I proved you wrong. A 4.50 ERA is not run, and that's what he had in August, and August is in the playoff run. Therefore, he was not incredible in the playoff run.

    In very few cases. In almost all things, especially baseball, statistics are a great indicator of success and failure or how something works. Then there's the saying from Hawk "Don't tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit it"....as it has been said before, getting off to a hot start would be nice

     

    I agree.

     

    Esteban Loaiza doesn't exactly have dominant stuff either, and he was only the runner up in the Cy Young balloting last year

     

    Estaban was dominent. He was very hard to hit. That new cutter he developed was awesome. Even hitters he faced said he is so dominent and his command was beyond incredible.

     

    If I did, then WHERE? I don't recall saying the he would go 12-15 with a 4.50 ERA....I basically said I wouldn't rule it out.

     

    Rule it out eh.. Ok I'll remember that one.. :rolleyes:

     

    Would Garland win 19 games if he got injured? I think not.

     

    Why don't you think so? Prior still won 18 games and he missed a ton of games. I'm not saying that Garland is prior now, but if garland breaks through, he has the potential to do it even injured.

     

    And who says Garland doesn't make one adjustment, sees his sinker sink more and sink faster, develops a little cutter, and is a top tier pitcher in the league? Probably won't happen, but you never know.

     

    That's the thing we don't know. How many people thought Estaban would have the season that he did? Baseball is a mysterious sport IMO.

     

    If he goes back to something he did earlier in his career, he may be successful for a little bit, and then will be hit hard because hitters will make adjustments, at which point Buehrle will have to make an adjustment

     

    Whosays Buehrle will get hit hard? I can name a ton of pitchers in the league who throw the same pitches w/o changing anything and still be successful.

     

    But my guess would be this year will be similar to years past where he got gradually worse....maybe 15-13 4.25 or something similar to that.

     

    That's your guess. I don't care how many people doubt his abilities and statistics. I'll let him prove you wrong.

     

    I'd never heard anything about the sinking. The only one I'd heard was left side of the rubber to right side.

     

    Hopefully you'll hear it. I will try to find the link of when I read it for you.

     

    Why, because you'd do the same thing? If Jimenez was still with us, was acting like a s***face, giving a half-assed effort, and put up a .300 20 70 25 steals .900 OPS season, would you not wonder why he had better numbers?

     

    Jimenez wouldn't put up those numbers unless he was at Coors or something. His lazy ass would never put up ridiculous numbers like that. Even if he did, the errors he puts up hurts the pitchers and cost that team the victory too.

     

    Buehrle has little talent as a baseball player

     

    :o That's like saying no pitcher has talent just because they're pitchers.

     

    and has gotten where he has from locating his pitches and pitching like a pitcher.

     

    So...that's how he pitches. That doesn't mean he has "little" talent. Tell that to Greg Maddux. He has location, and knows his hitters. Yea that's "little" talent for you.

     

    Buehrle gave a half-assed effort, his numbers would be worse then Koch's.

     

    The point is he didn't. His numbers were good after the all-star break. That's what the whole point I've been trying to tell you.

     

    He obviously has a good work ethic and good attitude, otherwise he'd still be in AA or AAA. Different story for Maggs, though he has gotten where he has from the same thing as Mark, good work ethic and good attitude.

     

    In other words you agree with me. :lol:

     

    So WHAT if it's August? You said he was incredible in the playoff run and I proved you wrong. A 4.50 ERA is not run, and that's what he had in August, and August is in the playoff run. Therefore, he was not incredible in the playoff run.

     

    Not nessesary. I can be proven wrong easily, but in that case no. When your in a playoff run he pitched well after the all star break. Yes he was s*** before it, but he turned it around after. I don't like to break down statistics. He stepped up in Big games. That doesn't mean he stepped up every game. He ate up innings and gave us a chance to win regardless of how his record was at the time. Plus, that 4.50 era you keep stating isn't as bad as you think. Yes, from when you look at it is, but that doesn't reflect on how he pitched a certain game. You are a very smart baseball analist witesoxfan. I'm sure you'll be posting some detials to back up your statements. Of course, I'm ready for em.. :headbang

    Your LEAST favorite foods

    in SLaM

    Posted

    Someone posted about your favorite foods. I want to know from all of you the foods you hate to eat. You hate so much you couldn't even touch or smell them. Mine is Fish. I can not eat fish. The only fish I can eat is fish sticks. Not raw or cooked fish. I'm interested to know what food(s) you hate.

    Starting Pitcher Wins Predictions

    in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub

    Posted

    Looks like they're getting worse to me.

     

    Buehrle even said himself that he tried a different approach last season as far as pitching. Obviously, it hasn't worked. That doesn't mean he is going to be s*** every year.

     

    It looks to me like his numbers are getting worse

     

    I don't give a s*** how numbers look to you. Remember this pal, Stats can be deceiving.

     

    who says that trend won't continue and he goes 12-15 with a 4.50 ERA this year?

     

    Obviously you did.. ;)

     

    Then again, who says that Garland won't bust out, win 19 games, including 12 in the second half, and leads us to a World Series win, much like Josh Beckett did the Marlins?

     

    Josh Beckett has more dominent stuff than Garland. Plus, Beckett was injured as well. Are you suggesting you want garland to get injured so his arm can be fresh if we even have a chance at a playoff run..?

     

    Games aren't played on paper and strange s*** can happen, but usually future statistics can be figured out by trends players have early in their career. We'll see if Buehrle trend continues.

     

    That's what I've been saying. The best team on paper doesnt mean nothing in baseball. I don't think Buehrle's trend will continue, but I don't know Buehrle eigher. I still believe he's going to bust out because he's going to pitch where h had success eariler in his career.

     

    Also, where did he say he was trying to sink the ball more? I never read anything about that. What I remember being the story of turning him around was moving from the left side of the mound to the right side.

     

    Buehrle said that twice. On a pregame show with hawk during the last game of the season, and on ESPN with one on one. One of the stories is what you just state it. Moving from the left side of the rubber to the right.

     

    I expect Buehrle to play with everything he has this year, and if everything he has is 12-14 with a 4.50 ERA, then I'd take it.

     

    I'm hoping for the same my fellow sox friend. That's why I believe he'll step up this year.

     

    If he is just f***ing around acting like a dips*** and he puts up a 18-9 record with a 3.30 ERA, I'm going to wonder why he didn't try harder and win 20.

     

    I'm not even going to respond to that ridiculous statement.. ;)

     

    Obviously, Buehrle's attitude would be the attitude in the first situation, and we all hope he has a record like the one I had in the latter situation.

     

    Who gives a f*** what you record. :D Buehrle's attitude is as smooth as duffman. He just let's his pitching do the talking. Also kinda quiet as maggs' material.

     

    BTW, incredible in the playoff run? I hope you're not talking about his 4.50 ERA in August.

     

    I said eariler stats can be deciving. And BTW, that's augest. See what he did the second half of the season, hell even in september, then you can say that.

    Questions surround the Royals starting rotation

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Well if you're going to go from that standpoint, atleast the Royals brought in players, and the Twins made trades to try and help improve the team.  Meanwhile, we let Colon, Gordon, Sullivan, Everett, and Alomar get away and we have no starter to replace Colon(which hurts us more then people will realize) unless you count Show, Cliff Politte to replace Tom Gordon(which will probably hurt us), Shingo for Sullivan(that's iffy, could go either way), replaced Everett with Rowand(losing that LH bat pretty much negates anything Rowand will do offensively), and replaced Alomar with Harris/Uribe/someone else(which will probably hurt us, though I can't guarantee that).  We also fired Manuel(which was a great move), but hired Ozzie, and he and KW have been nothing short of dumb and dumber so far this offseason.

    I agree with you about the royals making moves, about losing Colon, and about the Ozzie hiring, but not the others. You shouldn't even predict what a white sox player can do in a season. I think Pollite can be good this season. This is one of the rare seasons Gordon didn't get injured in. He had 1 good season this year, and now it's like he's a great loss. He cannot stay healthy. I bet he'll get injured sometime this year in NY. (just like Osuna) Shingo is another Sullivan as far as I'm concerned. Both sidearmers, desceptive delieveries, and have a hellofa changeup. Everett isn't a big of a loss as you expect. Sure he's left handed and... The left handed/ right handed thing is so overrated. Ozzie's plan for this season is to run and be on time. Rowand has decent speed, can hit for power, and is better defensively. Everett can give you power numbers, but that's it. We already have power hitters on this team. We need speed, and rowand can provide us some and others. Alomar's teachings will be missed, but I think Harris/uribe can hold the position down. Who knows what they will do this season. Harris even said in the article (if you want to post it, say the word) that he likes it when people doubt him. They don't know his abilities, only he does. I believe that eigher him or Uribe can step up this season. There's always one or two players on the sox that step up big time every year. They might not be the same players year in and year out, but they do step up. Hopefully it can be harris, rowand, uribe, or/and garland.

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