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I smell bulls*** on the rumor.
Welcome to Boston/Anaheim Mr. Clement. I think you can afford a new house now with the bags of money we gave you. Here is an extra million to keep your wifey happy.
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I wonder if he will have his press conference announcing his Angels/RedSox signing today or wait until monday pending a physical.
Odalis goes to the loser by the end of next week.
Lowe goes to the tigers at about 7 mill.
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can we sign jose lima's wife?
Jose Lima has herpes.
So do you really want his wife?
Remember whats the difference between love and herpes?
Herpes is forever
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Just remember the other hand also. That this mythical 6 millions dollars in savings will not be spent if we are say 10 games back by July.
If we are 10 games back by July there will be another salary dump, you can book that. Konkero will most definately be gone as well as others.
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I don't uderstand the if garland is #5 then he will have a lower ERA... You're still pitching every 5th day in the same league. You're facing the same hitters, in the same situations.... Nobody cares what number is attatched to your rotation spot.
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pitchers often don't suceed when they first come up..
Randy Johnson was 10-13 with a 4.48 ERA in his first two seasons, back before R/G got out of control. 4.48 was well over league average for the time.
Curt Schilling was 0-4 in his first two seasons, with an pitiful ERA of 9.25
You'd be hard pressed to be an accurate judge of a pitchers longevity in the Big leagues based on their first few innings in the bigs.
Garland has the tools, but doesnt do well with pressure. That is why an error, or just mental fortitude causes him to walk a few hitters and then groove a pitch down the cock to be slammed.
First few years? Garland has been a major league pitcher for more than a few years. This is the point he should start to mature and get over the hump. Buerhle is a success because he is aggressive and ptiches without fear. Garland on the other hand pitches without fear and then at some point in the game, loses his grip.
The reason I think his ERA will plummet in the 5th starter role.
As a fifth starter he will get paired up against other 5s and possibly 4s. He would be better than just about 90 percent of the pitchers he would face in this role and therefore would have a better chance to win the game.
As a fifth starter the pressure to be perfect is not there. He can just throw instead of thinking of every pitch and what happens with it.
Garland has all the talent in the world, just not the stones to win. You take the pressure off of him he will pitch a lot better. I think the hype last year of "this is his year" was too much.
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The best PR move for this team would be to sign clement and pick up AJ.
AJ is a dick and all, but he teaming up with our catching crew would be killer. Make him the primary catcher and use Ben Davis to catch a few guys saving AJ's knees. With AJ in the lineup we could deal with Willie Harris at 2nd.
LF Pod
SS Uribe
RF Dye
1B Konerko
DH Thomas(Everett)
CF Rowand
C AJ
3B Crede
2B Harris
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Are you trying to make a case for Grilli?
No,
Grilli is another non option. He has okay stuff. But again he is someone that needs to avoid the big inning. I dont know if he has the mental makeup of it. Its one thing to have your 5th starter who has a tendancy to give up 4 runs in a big inning. At least we could use our bullpen to go longer. All we are looking for in that situation is 5 innings. But now that we add the wild card Garland. Garland can come out and just look like cy young. The next start he could look like cy young and then when something goes wrong he walks a few and gives up the big inning.
Having one pitcher who has the possiblity of either looking good or bad in a start is one thing. Having multiple pitchers in the starting rotation will stretch our bullpen.
Its also a domino effect. If Garland is our number 5. I think his ERA is south of 4.30. He is someone that thinks too much on the mound. He lets things build up. Putting him in the number 3 spot last year was a huge pressure point. Yes he has the stuff to be a number 3. But he needs to get some confidence to do that. At some point Jon will start to believe in his stuff and then will be a guy who can win 17 games.
Saying that, contreras is a mixed bag also. As a number 3 he can look like cy young or cy disaster.
I think the cost of getting a big time FA pitcher will be offset by the change in the makeup not only pyschology of our rotation. We move contreras and garland down. We lessen the stress on them and make them only that much better.
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I've only heard him mention saving money for the deadline twice; once in an article (MLB, IIRC), and during a radio interview. I assume the comment was stated as a worst case scenario, not as an indication he'd follow through.
Visualizing Clement on the Sox was not a figment of our imaginations. White Sox are currently listed as a team which has placed a bid for his services, in addition to a ESPN Insider article in which we're listed as a "mystery team."
We're not competing with the Yankees in this instance. Angels and Boston definitely have the upper hand, but until Clement's decision is known we're not out of it.
The deadline money thing is a red herring. Remember that yes we will take on that players salary at the mid season point. But we will lose something else that is harder to replace. That is prospects. We are not a 100 million dollar team, so our prospects must mix in with our FA's to fill out our team. The more impact players we trade away to save a few bucks for the first few months the more we hurt ourselves for years to come.
But if we could pick up a ben sheets...
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No, I'm just saying that all these players that everyone is lusting over, and crying PR disaster if we don't sign them, are essentially Jon Garland clones... I know Jon Garland has value. But all I ever hear from Sox fans is how much he sucks. -- There was a thread I started late last night in my insomniatic state titled "the Market" you should read that if you've missed it.
Basically, with all these essentially average players getting outrageous contracts, it doesn't make sense for a finincially resposible team to sign any of them. The should spend the $ on the top tier talent, and not bother with the overpriced middling players. Signing a bunch of those guys is a good way to have an expensive losing team... You need some Top tier guys (MB, FG, PK, FT), home grown talent that produces (ARow and JG fall into that cetegory, Juan Uribe too because he's still relatively cheap) Hopefully if a couple of more cheap guys produce (Crede, Willie, Pods) The sox will be in good shape --
As for Grilli -- I don't think anyone here hates him as much as me. I will say this, and I'm not one of those typical chicken little sox fans, I will be calling for more than KW's head should Grilli be our opening week 5th starter.
We have at least 3 or 4 better options than Grilli on our roster for that job, and I can't believe that seemingly everyone in the organization doesn't see it that way. In fact, I dislike even the thought of Grilli so much that I avoid almost all topics like this.
As I see it the only possiblity is for Hermansen to take over the 5th starter. The rest of our guys need to either work on confidence or get a pair. We have seen this with numerous prospect pitchers that have come up. They get up and dance all over the strike zone almost afraid that the hitter will make contact. They walk everyone in site and then give up the big bomb. Garland still does this from time to time. His stuff should get him through anything. He should be south of the 4 ERA line not north of the 5 ERA.
Lets look under the hood of what we have in house.
Diaz. A lot of people like this guy. He does great in AAA, dominates it. Does good in the winter leagues. My only concerns is the quality of this guys stuff. He is a control pitcher who has a very straight fastball. He is about deception and pitch count. A free swinging team will look bad against him. Aka the first time he faced the cubs. But a team that takes a pitch or gets locked in just on his fastball will kill him. I think his confidence took a knock and if he goes out to start against the Injuns he will gets destroyed.
Cotts. Deceptive delivery. Lack of control. Again free swingers will go down against him. His problem is when someone works the count. He needs to develop a better breaking pitch. He has his fastball, his slider or fastcurve and his change. His change isnt something he gets over. And his slider/fastcurve is about the same velocity as his fastball. I question his mental makeup also. He completely self destructs ala the Ricky Vaughn. He is best to leave in as a reliever.
Munoz. Great curveball. But again he needs to get it over for strikes. If he does this his fastball is sneakyfast. Has better breaking stuff that the above two. He needs more time to mature.
Atkins. Possibly serviceable. He needs to concentrate more on his location. Good breaking pitch. Needs to learn how to pitch effectively in the zone. Not to just groove a pitch ala Mike Jackson every so often.
Diaz is great in the dominican league, he is great in AAA. But how comfortable do you feel putting him on the bump with cleveland?
Hermansen at least knows how to pitch as a major league pitcher. And lets be honest, he has to be better than what we saw last year. Hell I think that most of us could pick up a mitt, drive to the cell, and have better results that some of the number 5 starters did.
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We all need to settle down.
I think these late-night rants are simply products of these Clement/Unit rumors.
Things will be just fine. In just a few months the 2005 Chicago White Sox will be taking the field and all of this off-season anxiety and frustration will be out the window. They will take the field, and we will love them. Unity will reign supreme once again.
This late night rants are due to the dwindling market for prime FA pitchers. KW said last year pitching was the key. Colon got away, Flash, and we wound up with Cotts and Jackson in the pen. Our pen is a hell of a lot better than last year. But we are missing the number one thing that was identified as a problem from last year. JR himself said on the Score that the only reason we lost last year was due to the number 5 starter. When the chairman makes that statement its obviously an issue. But to get shutout on this is a huge issue. Its not only a PR issue, but an issue with the makeup of this team. Last year when the number 5 spot came up the sox played like crap. It was almost like the team felt is was an automatic loss. Filling this with a top tier FA was a huge priority. It not only fills a need, but helps with the team makeup. Trotting Garland out as your 4 is ok, but diaz/cotts/grilli etc at 5 is not going to do it.
Plus this puts more pressure on Garland. How roasted will he get if he gives up his 5 run crap this year. When someone with a 7 ERA follows him in the rotation.
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Maybe they can borrow the Bulls PR campaign
Jimmy you are going to a sox game? But they got rid of everyone.
You can tell me not to go see my sox. Where else can you see Randy Johnson, those amazing Twins, and Alex Rodriguez.
But they dumped salary and put it in their own pockets.
Think about it, box seats right behind third base all to myself. I am on the bandwagon before it gets going. We have Pods, Arow, and have you seen our minor leagues. Sweeney, Bmac, honel, and Anderson. Ozzie will have this team flying and playing to win.
Well have fun with these kids can play Jimmy.
You are missing out, these kids can play is right. And you know I love my whitesox, Through thick and thin.
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He will probably sign some reclamation project for the 5th starter. Someone who used to be good and he believes he can get lightening in a bottle from. He will have his payroll at a good point and call it a day.
JR happy, KW happy, sox fans pissed.
:fyou :puke
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Well we can add BMAC to the list of people that can compete for the 5th starter role for 2006.
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Holy s***, take a deep breath there...
Look. The Score reported two different things today -- first, that the Sox had three years, thirty million on the table for Clement. Then, they reported the Sox were out of the bidding, and none of this came from the guy, who at the current point, is a lot more reliable than ANYONE working for the Score, in Bruce Levine.
I just think that's a load of bulls***. The second thing might be true, but, I highly doubt -- HIGHLY DOUBT -- that Clement would reject a ten million per year contract. And, I also can't believe that the Angels are going much over ten million per year.
I think all of the teams interested -- White Sox, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Angels -- are still in the bidding. I also believe that no one has topped a nine million per year deal, too. Clement, while not very appealing at nine million per year, is someone we really need. Overpaying in money at this point, while it may bite us in the ass in a couple years, is a must at this point...
But if the 10 million dollar contract is actually the usual money on the backend, deferred, team option, you will get your money later crap that we tried to pull on Colon. You can kiss Clement goodbye. If the contract is fair market value maybe we get a home town discount. We will see I would say in the next day or so.
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I can see it now.
Diaz is ready to throw the first pitch. He is a control pitcher who has pinpoint control. Ball one. He is a proven winner in the minors. Ball two. He has an electric makeup. And there is a drive, and this one is out of here. Wow tape measure shot. Well it didnt travel as far as borchards. And Cleveland is up 1-0. Neil Cotts and Artie Munoz are warmin in the pen. The sox cant seem to get any consistancy in this series. Jon Garland pitched one hell of a game last night, outside the 5th inning where he gave up a grand slam to Travis Hafner. Grilli looks to be the next to get a shot as the sox are out of options at the number 5 spot.
*SHUTTERS
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Everyone was predicting either a 75 or 80 million dollar payroll. I keep going back to the fact that we hit 65 in 2001, dumped salary, we hit it again last year. I think Uncle Jerry is pretty happy with the salary staying at that 65 million mark. He gets the comcast deal and maybe he gets some fans through the turnstyles. Its a win win. Plus doesnt he have some sort of aggreement based on attendance for rent for the stadium.
The only good thing is that none of the other teams in the central got stronger.
I dont want to see showenweis, diaz or grilli start. Showenweis is not a good starter. He gives up too many long balls. Diaz doesnt have the melon to start. He has Cotts disease. He goes from a control pitcher to someone lofting up 85 mph meatballs on 2-0 3-1. Grilli reminds me more of garland. He has the stuff, but he will self destruct for an inning and give up 4 or 5 runs.
Hey we havent seen any retread action from Kenny this offseason. He usually has some retread to get lightening in a bottle from. If he pops out with Andy my arm has fallen off Asby we are doomed.
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This is what is going to happen, unfortunately.
The dogers are in the mix to be Arizonas trading partner. So that would leave us without Vasquez or RJ.
Clement will sign for BoSox or Ana.
When Clement signs the pack of wolves that is left will go after Perez.
Lowe will sign with the tigers.
Hey but look on the bright side. Uncle Jerry gets to pocket some nice money making him happy. And we get to our 65 million dollar payroll just like last year.
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Hes a guy that needs to hit to right and center first. When he does this he hits a hell of a lot better. When he purposely pulls the ball with his step in the bucket approach he is done. If he looks center away and then pulls the mistake pitch in, then he will be a star. That is the difference between when Uribe hits and when Uribe slumps.
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"I know you're gonna miss the sausage race at Miller, but here we have fans race on the field and attack umps and coaches."
:fyou assholes
Thank god Harry has radio, who wants to see his mug and those man boobs.
f*** him and f*** the cubs :fthecubs
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Great attitude so far.
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If he hits 285 with 60-70 SBs we should be great.
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He should host a celebrity texas hold em tourney. If he starts giggling like a school girl during a bet he might have a hand.
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Subject: Re: silvy can i ask u a question
Date: 12/14/2004 9:22:55 AM Central Standard Time
From: mariotti@espnradio1000.com
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you do love your sox...i give you credit...
but...they DIDN'T LOSE the division the last few years because of the homerun...i don't remember the homerun ever being a bad thing...and carlos lee is NOT a all or nothing player...
as for your 2000 team payroll argument...how many guys are left from that team?? how many of those guys are good players on other teams now?
aren't you tired of ALWAYS waving goodbye to your favorite players?
even if we disagree...you always bring up good debates and always appreciate your emails...
silvy
this was the email i got back from silvy in reponse to this
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:08:30 EST
>silvy did bashing of home runs win the sox a division last year? no! in 03?
>no! in 02? no! in 01? no! in 00 they won the division why cause of there
>pitching. please silvy!! any1 can hit a home run at the cell. tell jay that if he
>hates the sox so much then DON'T WRITE ABOUT THEM!!!! and they are going after
>Matt clement, and they have the money to do it now.
im trying to open his eyes. moronotti is not helping by brainwashing silvy
Anyone who watched the sox remembers them going off in one game and then getting shut out by some 1-10 pitcher with a 6 ERA. We made bad pitchers look like Cy Young all of the time. Silvy obviously didnt watch too many games. Most years you have at least one good tear, hell the Tampa Bay Devil rays had a good run where they wont like 14 in a row. I think we won 5 or 6 in a row. We couldnt keep a streak together except for a bad streak in August. Minny did everything they could to give us the division. Remember even after play so bad in august we were still only a few games out of it. If we had a decent 5th starter and a more consistant offense we would of won this division hands down.
Jay and Silvy are tugging on each others nuts right now over this. This is the best thing that could of happened for Jay.
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One of the reasons we lost last year according to Silverman is that we didnt have a closer.
Takatsu is a hard name to remember I guess.
*Official* Clement to Boston
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Actually if he signs to another team I may hate him. But not because of overexposure.