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On 4/14/2024 at 7:06 PM, T R U said:
I don’t get the Burger love affair. He’s exactly what you said above, and would have zero impact on the next good Sox team.
Actually I take that back, because we got Eder for him so it’s possible he will have impacted the next good Sox team.
I don't get the love affair about having guys ready for the next good Sox team. No one knows when that will be. By you're argument if Eder is struggling in 1.5 years on a bad Sox team they should trade him for another injured prospect ?
It's fine you like Eder but he may not be good enough and if he is good enough there's no guarantee that the Sox will be a good team in his tenure with them. He'll be 30 in 5 years. When do you expect the Sox to be above .500 again ?
You know you can still be a bad team with plenty of good players on it. Look at the Angels with multiple years of having Ohtani and Trout. Those 2 are superstars and they had other good players but to be a good team you need 20 good players and depth behind those 20.
Your MLB team isn't going to get good any time soon trading 27 year old MLB talent for 24 year old injured minor league talent very often.
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6 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:
Did you mean competent 1st baseman or dh? We have none of those.
If the Sox had got any takers for Eloy it might have made getting Busch a possibility. Easy to pine for him now that he's doing good when he was an older prospect who had shown very little defensive and offensively in his brief trials with the Dodgers.
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3 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:
Lot of people here were not interested in him.
Mainly because he was a DH and 1st baseman and the Sox have team full of them
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
“But he has no position!!!”….yet one of the smartest front offices found a role for him
I saw him drop a routine throw to 1st a couple days ago
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16 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
I think you basically need to play Benintendi mostly everyday against RHP, at least for now. Sox still owe him like $65M. Absolutely have to try to find a serviceable player out of him, especially in a lost season.
Of course but he's probably started every game in LF against LHP too.
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14 hours ago, Jake said:
From publicly available information, Pham is quite plausibly the best healthy player on the White Sox right now. He should have been signed 3 months ago. There is value to making extremely modest efforts at avoiding being an all-time laughingstock. I'm starting to think it's harmful to everyone in the clubhouse to be absolutely horrible, so I'm okay with signing some real live major league baseball players in hopes that not all of them wither and die when they get the White Sox reverse Midas touch.
I doubt he wouldve taken a MILB contract 3 months ago.
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15 hours ago, tjp1684 said:
We’re averaging 2 runs a game, and even 30 points under last year, Pham would be one of the top hitters on this team. Grossman is at least getting on via walking. If he can walk at a decent clip, it at least gives us a chance to have someone on when our guys smack a double. So we’ll have to figure out who fits where best if we’re “trying to compete.”
Benintendi can sit more instead of being a fixture in LF every freaking day.
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16 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
because he sucks.
I wouldnt say he sucks. A guy has to get some ABs under his belt. Hes got a great arm , just needed some work on his fundamentals on defense. His bat has played anywhere hes been even though he had to be rusty when he first got to the states. AT the highest levels his lack of consistent AB's against high level pitching has been apparent.
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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:
So they didn't smell a win the following day with that same 5-0 lead?
Just breaking the long/er losing streaks matters?
What does this even mean ? Are you just piling on now to get a chuckle ? What should've been done that wasn't done the next day? Are you suggesting Kopech was supposed to pitch the day after he threw 2.0 innings ? He was unavailable, Leasure was unavailable, Brebbia was injured. Wlison was pitching in his second consecutive game and 4th in the last 6 and they luckily got a 7 pitch inning out of him .
I'm just as upset as anyone that the team is filled with has beens and never was'. But they suck and their best relief pitchers weren't available. Things change from day to day, that's how pitching worksnot only in the starting rotation but also in the BP. Expect wins perhaps weekly.
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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:
Well, except for Tatis Jr., whose father basically brought him to KW/Paddy and pretty much begged for the Sox to sign him.
That could have opened up the DR flood gates.
Except that he never came close to actually being on the Chicago White Sox. I do remember reading he was distraught when he heard that he was traded.
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3 hours ago, Nardiwashere said:
I feel like the Getz thing is somewhere in the middle... and also kind of unknowable.
If you made a list of any organization's prospects, there are going to be a ton of "failures." That's just how it works across the league. Did the Sox produce less major league talent than the rest of the MLB during that time? I don't know but I'm guessing they probably did.
Ok... how much of that is Getz's fault? I'm not sure. He was the farm director but who knows what type of decision-making power he had. When he tried to implement something, was he overruled? Everyone seems to understand that JR, KW, and TLR got their way when it came to Hahn's authority. Am I to believe that JR, KW, TLR, and Hahn all gave Getz complete control and approved every suggestion? Seems unlikely.
Furthermore, even if Getz had more power and influence than we think he did, he still wasn't the one picking the players. I'm not going to pretend I know enough about amateur baseball to know which failures are attributable to him and which failures are on the player, GM, scouting dept, etc. I bet most people here share my ignorance.
The people who are the loudest in attacking Getz's resume are all fans on the outside and AJ Pierzynski... and one episode of his podcast, AJ seemed confused and implying Getz was in charge of drafts... which was obviously not the case. Other than that, it seems like a lot of the analysts and people connected to mlb have more respect for him than your typical SoxTalk poster or commenter under SoxMachine tweet.
Where I think WestEddy is right is that there are a number of people who are just salty and ignoring actual successes on his resume. You can say he didn't deserve the job and still acknowledge they produced some major league talent when he was around. I think its unfair and kind of tiring to say he deserves all the blame for the failures but no recognition for Robert or depth pieces while trashing him for something relatively insignificant like sending Colas back down.
Again... a lot of hyperventilating happening and I think its just residual anger from 2022-23.
Finally an honest fan who doesn't act like he knows everything and didn't put words in anyone's mouth. West Eddy is just saying it's pretty subjective and it's hard to argue either way when we basically know nothing and it's not like Getz was in charge very long . How many years was it and how many succeedes can you expect in that time frame and how does that compare to other teams ?Plus there's the whole definition of what should be counted as a success. There's just so many people involved in the scouting ,drafting and development of hundreds of players and then you have the biggest obstacle of all (JR) looming over everything that has always hurt the Sox development of any youths.
I always bring up the Dominican Republic, the best Latin America country to get prospects in the last 50 years .
Why is baseball filled with DR stars and the Sox have never had one ? It's all on JR because he refused to play the game in the DR that all the other clubs in MLB were playing. We'll never know if he was sincere about that the process being too shady or íf it was just another way to say I'm not spending money there. It still continues to this day. And there always reports about lack of personnel and equipment to keep up with the latest tech in all phases of the organization . For JR the all encompassing player development dept. is an easy area to cut funds that escapes the attention of the media and thus the fans.
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11 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:
standing dugout. seriously wonder if the guys that stand and lean on the railing get hurt less.
JR would have to pay for Ellipses in the dugout and redesign the dugout so its not likely but it would be innovative.
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On 4/10/2024 at 6:28 PM, chitownsportsfan said:
Does bro know he's coaching a 40 win team projected to finish league last in runs? Mofo giving quotes like he's got the '27 Yankees.
I actually think that's a jab at JR. For anyone wanting Getz fired this quote might piss JR off enough to do it. Of course it would be after Getz contract runs out.
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On 4/10/2024 at 3:30 PM, Jake said:
We have too many injuries.
But, it's not surprising that a lot of them come when running to first. I'm certain that must be the single most common injurious play for position players. Much of the game you are almost required to stand still. When hitting, you remain in place but do a very different sort of high effort movement...then you must suddenly turn and run full speed. Usually turns out okay, until it doesn't. But the sudden need to go full speed in a game that doesn't otherwise require you to run fast that frequently seems like an obvious area of risk especially given the starting position post-swing.
Two different guys blowing out adductors over a week and a half definitely strikes me as odd though. I hope Reinsdorf, who presumably cares about the massive investments made in these players, might be willing to pay an outsider to audit our training and rehab situation.
Maybe there shouldn't be a bench in the dugout just treadmills* and modern stationary bikes.
*Treadmills may be too dangerous for some our players.
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1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Chisox59 is right. Harold actually loves any move they make now just because Getz is the GM.
Ok .If that's the case it's not very independent thinking.Why be an echo chamber for Getz ?
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2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:
Lol, yeah that 246 PA sample is surely enough to write him off for good!
Your complete flip flop from hating every move the Sox make to now championing every move is quite comical.
Maybr it's supposed to be funny ? Some people just have strange internet personalities. It might be his way of protesting how much he despises the Sox now.🤷♂️
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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Just don't think we should give up on Vaughn or send him to AAA based on 12 games.
That's all. He's already pretty much a sunk cost for this season anyway.
That said...it's doubtful the Sox have anyone other than Frank Thomas in the studio to fix him, either.
Ok but u didn't say banking on Vaughn hasn't exactly been a developmental win either.How many more MLB plate appearances does Vaughn have compared to Sheets ?
Vaughn's a top 5 pick in the draft and Sheets a 2nd round pick. Neither has distinguished themselves in any way. At this point I'll lean towards a hot hitter in a sea of bats with holes in them . No one's going all in on anybody , just leaning and happy to see some positive.
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On 4/10/2024 at 11:13 AM, PaleAleSox said:
Excitement needs to be tempered on this because he is showing good results. However, Fletcher fucking blows and might be one of the worst Sox players of all time in these 11 games.
Worst player of all time in 11 games ?🤣 You can't make this s%*# up . Did this turn into a football season ?
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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
Better to just trade Vaughn then...for the equivalent of Popeye Rodriguez.
Of course...going all in on Sheets (or Lee) based on the results 10+ games or whatever is eventually going to be equally as foolhardy.
So basically we're at the point that every Sox player is bad and we cannot hope for any type of development that is not linear ?
Meh I'll keep hoping against the odds that they find some quality MLB players just by holding onto some guys. It may haved worked in some cases like Semien and Tatis, Jr. or would they have withered on the vine ?
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1 minute ago, WestEddy said:
Sure. I guess my weakness is I find it insulting when somebody tries to bully you into agreeing to something that is fundamentally untrue. Then my inner-internet bro-dude kicks in, and I don't let it go. And if I dig in on, "they're not just going to cut half their bullpen because you're sad", I'm a Chris Getz burner account. Most of the time, I'm not even defending anybody, just stating a simple fact.
And I usually try to back up what I say with stats when the guys arguing against you don't take into account much of anything except whats in front of their noses. I actually looked up each relief pitchers game logs over the past week or so and in Wilson's case how he's been used in his career. Then once i also remembered Brebbria was injured I couldnt remember if they brought up a pitcher so I looked at the transactions and saw Shuster was brought up. The game he pitched was one of the few games I didnt watch this year.
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3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Who currently is the 5th SP? I was about to post that Shuster would make sense since he is up, but it's weird he wouldn't have just started that bullpen game in Cleveland since he was here.
I guess we're still waiting to know when Clevinger will make a start. I suppose he may get a minor league game or 2 once they feel he's ready. But in the mean time with the off day today maybe they reset the rotation and they're all on normal rest now ?
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3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
He should have been let go right after last season. He wasn't. Getz should have been allowed to go in a different direction this season. Maybe Getz was given the option with JR's preferences laid out for him, and Getz figured he'd save that mulligan, and let Grifol absorb all the losses of a poorly assembled roster (from previous), and let his preferred manager start with a better roster to manage.
There seems to be a difference between last year and this year with younger guys getting playing time, and changing the batting order up. Maybe Getz has put forward some directives, and Grifol's following.
Because of the off day this thread has yet to be banished to the Sox archives. I do like discussing the game sometimes but its difficult when you're discussing with an angry fan base and just I don't want to be another sheep mindlessly playing follow the leader. I'm not a contrarian or a troll or water carrier. i Just think I see what other fans ignore. It's just too easy to say a guy is a bad manager or bad exectuive when their whole position or station was by being a part of Reinsdorf's Peter Principle.
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1 minute ago, WestEddy said:
I'm not remembering the exact roster construction that day, but the team is limited to 13 pitchers on their roster at any time until Sept 1, then they can have 14.
Right which was what I thought and why I suggested sending Shuster back down after his 1 appearance. But it didnt happen I guess because today's an off day so the BP gets some much needed rest. They did what they could yesterday but if the game went any longer Shaw just would've had to pitch another inning.
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I don't understand your compulsion to not add to the argument on either side but to comment on other posters fragility or lack of toughness. You do this constantly.
Did your daddy beat you as a child and tell you to stop being a crybaby and toughen up and be a real man while he beat your mother ?
You want people to show sensitivity on social issues but that doesn't seem to line up with your constant harassment of those you perceive as too sensitive.
You can't pretend to have big heart towards others while berating others over nothing. You either have kindness in your heart or you don't.