Balta1701
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4 minutes ago, flavum said:
When Stassi is ready, they should just release MM.
More likely that they will just pick up MMs option in May and release Lee. MM is great behind the plate, the announcers will tell you so.
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9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
It's a 1 year $4 million deal. Andrew Benitendi's corpse is hanging around 5 years.
He has an option for next year too. Being terrible last year didn't stop him from getting $4 million based on reputation for grindy veteranyness.
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3 minutes ago, superchops70 said:
Thanks.
I have a very hard time believing this team will get to 40 wins.I know they're bad, but this would be seriously bad, like beyond what we can fathom. That 2003 Tigers team was incredible. A guy lost 20 games. They were saved from being a 40 win team literally by the White Sox. The As last year couldn't keep up being that bad. This would be a challenge.
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3 minutes ago, fathom said:
Holy cow, that was bad
I have literally no idea what this refers to because it could be so many things.
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6 minutes ago, superchops70 said:
Seriously, what's the record for fewest wins in a season? We're going to have to be pushing that mark
Modern era is 36-117 by the Philadelphia A's in 1916, a .235 winning percentage.
The worst recent one was the 43-119 Tigers in 2003. I believe that season got them the draft pick that became Verlander. I believe that something like 10 of their wins came against the White Sox, IIRC, and had the White Sox gone several games better agains those Tigers it could easily have put them into a tie with the Twins.
2018 Orioles, 2019 Tigers both won 47 games.
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2 minutes ago, 4OCS said:
Sox have Kuhl, Woodford, Shuster, Touissant, and Martin at Charlotte all of whom have MLB starting experience. Not sure Rich Hill is preferable to any of those guys at this point. Also have Cannon at Charlotte
Martin should not be an option as he's less than a year out from TJS.
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29 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Again I can only go by what has taken place and Moncada's back issues became a factor last season. According to the Fox site and I have no idea how accurate it is, the vast majority of his leg/hamstring injuries took place in the years before the back problem.
During the offseason after 2022, we heard reports of both Moncada and Grandal having major back issues during the year. It made sense given the big struggles of both of them, so I believe for Moncada it's at least been 2 seasons now.
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10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:
This sounds an awful lot like 2017-2019 projections that we all figured would definitely be spent wisely
When they finished paying off the penalties for Robert's signing after 2018, they looked to have a good amount of money to spend, and they did spend it. They added something like $40 million to the 2019 payroll along with commitments for 2020, followed by two larger contracts in 2020.
Because Rick Hahn was the GM, half of that money was spent on over-the-hill relievers. At least as of now, I don't feel compelled to try to hang Getz with what was clearly a problem with Hahn's strategy.
They did so in the Rick Hahn way, but they had money to spend and they did spend it.
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1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
Jesus fucking christ that's not what they're going to do. It's inevitable that he's going to need a dl stint or two due to soreness/tired arm so they're letting him go now and will keep evaluating him as the season goes on. These extereme hot takes are getting tiresome.
Being reactive to soreness and injury rather than expecting him to have some limits and being proactive about giving him extra rest or putting limits on his pitch counts early in the season is totally a questionable decision. Someone claiming that this is what they should do would be considered an extreme hot take too.
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3 minutes ago, fathom said:
My educated guess is the payroll plummets once again this offseason
Even if that happens, they will have plenty of money to spend. They have about $50 million guaranteed counting Robert, Benintendi, Fedde, and a handful of buyouts including Eloy's at $3 million and Moncada's at $5 million. Filling out the rest of the roster with minimum salary guys would leave them a $65 million payroll, and that's without considering whether Robert, Fedde, or Benintendi could be moved during 2024. They could spend $50 million and still have a serious payroll cut.
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50 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
2025 will be more of the same with a smattering of prospects mixed in. Who do you think Getz is going to sign to fill all the spots of the exiting one-year garbage veterans? More garbage veterans! It’s the Sox way in free agency.
If we're really strategic about it - clearing out Moncada, Eloy, and most of the other money the White Sox have on the books will leave them some room to spend this offseason.
One thing we have seen recently is that, if you're patient, some of the better FAs may be available at the end of the free agent period on short term, low money deals. Matt Chapman had a helluva weekend for San Francisco, as an example.
If they got tolerable seasons out of a couple of their kids, and they stole a handful of 3 win players on opt-out contracts at the end of free agency, could they at least push themselves into the AL Central discussion? With how the free agent market worked this year, it seems plausible.
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1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Is there any internal discussion of bringing in any low cost unsigned starters / waiver claims (between $740K and $3M)?
Don't understand why Getz is so obsessed stashing early to mid 30s guys (Pillar, Grossman, Phillips, Ortega) in addition to Fletcher, Colas, Sheets, and DeLoach for RF and a 4th OF.
Whereas they are already burning prospects and starting the clock on guys like Nastrini with four AAA starts at his highest level.
Rich Hill, Johnny Queto can likely get you 20-25 starts this year covering 100 + innings. The White Sox desperately need innings eaters just to survive the season. Why won't they add a 5th / 6th starter, especially after demoting Kopech?
Chad Kuhl and Touki Toussaint are already on Charlotte's roster, so they have the waiver claim options if they want to use them.
I don't know why they would bring Nastrini up over one of those guys, or pitch Crochet on 4 days rest rather than those guys, because both of those seem like better options. Getz, however, seems to be focused on rushing guys and using them as aggressively as he can.
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8 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said:
So we’re not even pitching 4 starters between Crochet starts?
I'm hoping that they are counting on their being a weather cancelation and just have to make it look good.
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27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
We should start to see some arrivals in 2024. Montgomery, barring an injury, is pretty close to a lock to make his debut this season. Ramos and Quero aren't too far away either.
I would guess we see a couple of more of the starting pitchers out of Thorpe, Iriarte, and Eder. There is definitely room for a breakout to get here out of the block of AA starters as well.
Obviously out of a group that big some will backtrack, but I feel like we start to see the first wave of kids start to replace some of the placeholders.
While it might not apply to all of them - Colson being up this year, Thorpe being up this year, Nastrini being up now - these guys are definitely being moved aggressively enough that some serious struggles might be expected at the big league level.
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There's no way I'm reading this right, Forbes thinks the Mets lost $500 million last year? That's greater than their entire payroll expenditure including the luxury tax dollars.
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10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Regarding Moncada it is not just his back, according to the Fox Sports site starting in 2018 he has had a total of seven different instances where hamstring or leg issues forced him to miss games and he also missed time with a knee. That site had him listed as missing games for various reasons a grand total of 19 times.
A guy who is trying to run with a back injury or who is trying to twist his body while also playing through a back injury is way more likely to hurt other things. This is precisely why you don't have guys play through injuries and why doing so is stupid rather than tough. It leads to you doing other things awkwardly that stress those muscles in rough ways, leading to sprains, tears, etc. Running full speed between bases with a back injury could absolutely be a reason why a guy would pull a hammy or twist an ankle.
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19 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Balta I've passed along what folks both inside and outside the organization have told me about the guy. Do with it what you will.
All these guys wear a ton of body armor, he fouls a ball off and can't play for three days?
Now I will say this, as incompetent and dysfunctional as the Sox medical, training and conditioning staffs have been for the past several years (just look at the number of people who have passed through those areas and the fact that Hahn had to conduct a deep examination of those areas, and never revealed the results) I totally agree that more serious injuries are being misdiagnosed.
But I don't know of many guys who apparently are hurt as often as Moncada, and Jimenez.
They got the big contracts because the Sox were trying to save money by buying out some arbitration years and it wound up biting them on the ass. These guys simply haven't shown a lot since they got them.
Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not.
The good news is that after this year they'll be some other teams problem.
Yes, Moncada is hurt a lot. As far as I can tell, he has been trying to play through a serious back problem. There's pretty much no amount of toughness and rubbing dirt on it that will help with serious back problems. Whether that is career threatening I am not sure, but it definitely seems within the realm of possibility.
In terms of Eloy getting hurt, yeah there's something up here. I don't believe that it's him not being tough enough, if a guy pulls a muscle I don't want him trying to play through it if all he does is strike out. He definitely gets hurt too often and it has been a major impact to his career. Some guys are just like that, possibly Eloy is one, maybe he doesn't take enough care of his diet and exercise and stretching routines, I don't know.
I do think there's something to the team's training regimen, the lack of coordinated offseason workouts, the lack of advanced work on mechanics and so forth, that we've heard about a lot, and the number of injuries some of these guys have had. But then again, sometimes guys' bodies just break down - hell, take a look at Soroka, no one seems to thin he did anything horribly wrong, but he had the same issues as Burger and it cost him what was shaping up to be a strong career.
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7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
23rd in wRC at 63, -2. fWAR from the position players so far. The pitching might actually be the "promising" part of this s%*# squad. Eloy should have been flipped last deadline but that's on Hahn.
No one was likely paying anything for him at the deadline last year either. You might have gotten someone to absorb the rest of his contract still, but I thought someone might take his contract on last offseason and no one wanted him at that point either.
If you have to pay a large portion of his contract to move him, then there's no reason to do so.
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2 minutes ago, Snopek said:
I get this is all just speculation, but am I wrong to think if no one wants to sign him, no one will want to trade for him at the deadline?
And if you can’t flip him, I don’t see any reason to sign him.
No one would take him last year either. You’re precisely correct.
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6 hours ago, tray said:
Those were not fighting words. We are in our 60's and 70's and don't duke it out with youngsters but we always enjoy conversation with fellow Sox fans, especially genuine fans, and any rational people we meet.
We discussed the ridiculous idea propounded by a greedy developer to move Sox park into a congested South Loop Office high rise park with no parking....at tax payers expense. Everyone (including those we met while tailgating or spoke with later outside Turtles, thought that the 78 idea was preposterous.
Perhaps go to a few games, drive around the neighborhoods North and West of the park and have a drink at one of the bars adjacent to Armor Park. Look at the Chicago skyline from there. The latest 78 concept was a Hail Marty pass by Related to finally obtain public financing by crammimg a baseball stadium within a silly rendering (which they finally tinted green to patronize South side fans). It's not gonna happen.
The attendance today was 17,478.
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4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
FR. It was much worse that Yoan played last year at 80% instead of taking some time to get healthy.
And in 2022 when both he and Grandal tried to play through back injuries that we found out about in December. There’s a long list of this, from Just the last couple years.
I totally believe the White Sox have a staff that would think “he’s not tough enough to play through a serious back injury” and tell that to people. That isn’t a comment on the player, it’s a comment on the staff.
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2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
I agree with some of this but from what I've been told by multiple sources (and I printed their comments in November 2022) his attitude is poor. Let's put it this way, some of those "injuries" were the type that could have been played through but he chose not to do so. The guy was the #1 prospect in baseball, he still has a ton of talent but apparently doesn't care that much especially after getting that big contract.
I don’t believe one bit that the problem with guys on the 2021-2023 white Sox is that they aren’t tough enough to play through injuries. The much bigger problem is that the staff thinks they should be able to rub some dirt on an actual injury and play through it, and in the process they make things worse and worse while the players are also terrible.
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3 minutes ago, flavum said:
Maybe, but it may not come against the Braves.
Hopefully this series is washed out.
Atlanta is only here once right? They will try to get this in as much as they can.
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White Sox bring Mike Clevinger back, pending physical
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Move to Nashville you bums.