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    4/21 Sox @ Phils

    in 2024 Season in Review

    Posted · Edited by SpringfieldFan

    1 hour ago, hi8is said:

    Yea this part of it is really really fucking lame.

    We could hope against hope it will incentivize the ownership to make comprehensive and structural changes rather than rely on a quick shiny object or two.

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    New $15 Campfire milkshake leads MLB food debuts

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Sure does.

    But honestly, I don’t think $15 dollars is even that bad considering ballpark prices and inflation.  What is a beer or soda?  $10+ dollars these days?  A large crappy shake at McDonald’s will cost you $5 bucks and that thing looks way more amazing.  You can probably feel your blood sugar levels rising while you are eating it.

    If my paycheck went up at the same rate...I'd be driving a nicer car.

    It begins...

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    Me feeling is like just kind of floating in limbo. I know this team roster has to completely turn over at least twice before it has a chance to be playoff viable. That known, it’s impossible to even hang hopes on what I will see on the field thinking it might be a step in building a path towards any future contention window. This now just is what is and will be.

    Kopech to the Bullpen

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    Posted · Edited by SpringfieldFan

    On 3/14/2024 at 3:52 PM, Balta1701 said:

    While the OBP part is nice, this part is the big concern. The bat needs to develop to be elite if he's going to drop to a corner outfield spot. 

    Agreed. Corner OF doesn’t demand much defensively so that’s where teams put the mashers who can’t field (unless they DH). Therefore, to be really worthwhile he needs to be *at least* as good offensively as the typical corner outfielder who already hits well.

     

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    4 hours ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

    This should be their next stadium.  Noah's Park.  They can dock at several points on the lakefront to pick up fans, then play the game while cruising Lake Michigan.

     

    NoahsPark.jpg

    Knowing this org, Titanic Inc. would soon buy the naming rights to the stadium.

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    19 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

    Don't get me wrong, I think it would be really cool if the Sox got a stadium in the 78, but I just think that no public money should go to it. 

    I don’t think we (the taxpayers) should just give JR a stadium, but should we expect him to just give one to us? Where’s equilibrium? Maybe we should pony up escalated ticket prices?

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    1 hour ago, dohnut said:

    We don’t want this to devolve into a political discussion.

    But, let’s be honest. Illinois in general - and Chicago in particular - tax the hell out of everyone. Residents, tourists, passersby…

    We may as well have a cool stadium complex to show for it.

     

    I'm a simpleton but I don't know why I should have to pay for the venue to be built and then pay again to get into it. If the thing makes money, shouldn't it pay for itself?

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    1 hour ago, kba said:

    This is from 1986. Wonder if they've gotten past it: 

    "Stadium insiders acknowledge that hard feelings exist between the owners of the Bears and the Sox. Some of those feelings stem from the $1.5 billion antitrust lawsuit filed by the U.S. Football League against the National Football League. Sox president Eddie Einhorn, who hopes to start a USFL team here, is among the plaintiffs and McCaskey among the defendants."

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/1986/06/16/bears-sack-mayors-stadium/

     

    Neither here nor there but I’m not sure about Einhorn wanting to start a USFL team. The USFL Blitz had already died in 1985 and I recall hearing Einhorn briefly mentioning wanting to start a Chicago *baseball* franchise in a new offseason league. Anyone recall that?

    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    At this point I’d be happy enough staying at GRF if they go back to decent scoreboard fireworks and not the cheap generic ones they use now. How about opening up early enough to let us in the place to watch batting practice? This is all the kind of thing that strips the culture and that’s what diminishes the “ballpark experience” more than anything. It’s not the park alone; Comiskey 1 smelled funny and it always seemed like something was dripping on you - but the experience was undeniable. Would it hurt them to put out a little and not go cheap and “managed” with everything?

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    Posted · Edited by SpringfieldFan

    16 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said:

    Once they leave they no longer exist. It’s death. Nashville or wherever they go is a brand new baby. New beginning with a whole brand new history to write. It sucks (for me) but reality is real. 

    This makes sense. I would think the Nashville folks would see them as a new creation as well and leave the past as the past. I do not think identities should be portable to different cities. It just doesn't seem right. 

    I am not a Chicago native but I think a similar argument could be made if they moved to another Chicago location completely removed from the south side. The south side is just baked into the cake.

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    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    On 2/25/2024 at 3:31 AM, The Beast said:

    If they stay, it will be a lifetime commitment for me. If they move to Nashville, it won’t be for me because there is no connection to the city of Chicago and my kids won’t be able to grow up watching White Sox baseball.

    It's interesting. As fans if makes us wonder what exactly we are fans of. Its surely not the ownership. Neither is it completely the players because they come from all over and come and go, understandably seeking the best contracts.

    That said, I grew up and am still four hours away from the games but only being able to get up a couple times each year just made the experiences more special. Would it change if they moved to be five hours south of me? I don't know. In a sense it would seem they would effectively become a different team, even if they kept the name. I guess I would remain a fan, if for no other reason that there would be no Chicago alternative outside of the Cubs. Its all hypothetical though anyway...right????

    Sox looking at building in South Loop

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    2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    They tore down all the housing projects. I took the Green Line to Comiskey as a kid in the 1970s and 1980s. It was OK then, better now. There is plenty of room for parking lots across the Dan Ryan south of 35th / IIT.

    Build a lit fan walkway to / from the stadium across the DR beyond the existing 35th street sidewalk with the thousands of more fans using on game days.

    There would be police, Sox parking lot security and traffic aids across the DR as there are now where parking exists.
    Also could have / can build parking structures like the Yankees and other teams and downtown has. Doesn’t have to be acres of inefficient flat land.

    Would work if the team stayed, Jerry / New Owner purchased the current stadium and surrounding land / parking lots currently owned by the ISFA from the state, plus new unoccupied lane east of the DR, built significant retail and business development. State extinguishes current debt, Sox get infrastructure handouts and stadium plus land for much less than a private purchase, win win for everyone.

    The Sox would own it all / profit from the stadium and substantial real estate development. All the transportation infrastructure is already in place, the land is ready without significant environmental remediation. They would have more land (70 acres vs. 62 or less on the 78 parcel) plus whatever additional land they acquire east of the DR or west adjacent to the current property.

    Could build a Bears Stadium on 78, or something else once you stabilize downtown in terms of replacing the collapsed demand for office space with conversions to residential over the next decade or two. More important to focus on restoring safety downtown at this point to facilitate long term viability then fret over accommodating 81 game days for a private business.

    Back in the 70's my dad would park us on the neighborhood streets several blocks south of old Comiskey (it was allowed back then). He would turn down the kids on the block who offered to "watch" our car for 5 bucks and we would hoof it all the way to and back from the game.

    Obviously still alive today to tell about it.

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    Which teams will win / finish in last in 2024 within the American League Central?

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    On 1/2/2024 at 9:37 AM, Balta1701 said:

    I don’t know that I buy this part. It still seems to me that the idea of the Central being always pathetic is a new, recent phenomenon.

    Last year the Twins took an easy division, but they had the run differential of a 90 win team. They were held back by their poor performance in close games.

    2022, the Guardians were a legit 90 win team. 2021 the White Sox were a legit 90 win team.

    2019 you had a couple good years by the Twins. 2016-2017 was the peak of an Indians team that went to a WS game 7 and won 100 games the next year. Before that the Royals and Tigers had multi year runs including WS appearances for Detroit and a KC title.

    Mostly the Central has behaved like a normal division, a team plays well and wins 90+ games. What we saw last year, where no team could do that, seems like an anomaly.

    I don’t know which team it will be, but out of Cleveland, Minnesota, and Detroit, there are a couple teams that could definitely come together and push 90 wins.

    Point well taken but I think its kind of a yes and no. The winner will likely come out with 90+ wins - but precisely because the division *is* pathetic. A 90 win team would get many those 90 wins against the awful teams in the division via the unbalanced schedule.

    For trivia purposes, the 2022 Central overall record was 383-428 (an average of 77-86) and the 2021 overall was 397-413 (average 79-83). Not great.

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