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3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
That was Kenny and neither of the players in question were stars if memory serves.
Oh yeah that's right. I seem to remember that the one had some potential but the other was a nothing.
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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
Hahn has been the wrong one for the job ever since the Keppinger trade, another guy who just didn't want to play baseball for the Sox, much like Pollock and LaRoche and Cesar Hernandez/Kimbrel.
I think the year that really defined Hahn was the Melky Cabrera/Robertson/Beckham/Bonifacio/can't remember the random junkball catcher (the equivalent of Jorge Fabregas)...that offseason was CLASSIC Hahn at his best/worst.
Let's not forget Zach Duke, the failures of Beckham/Viciedo overhanging the beginning of Hahn and the Jeff Samardzija trade.
That whopper (trade for Shark and then TRYING to resign him but failing) would have gotten HALF the GM's in baseball fired ALONE during that 2014-15 cycle...that eventually led to Frazier as the big ad, the clubhouse implosion (Sale/Drake LaRoche, Ventura not even wanting to be there) and then a little discussed trade with names like Big Game James Shields and Erik Johnson involved.
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5 minutes ago, JoeC said:
I think Martin as the 6th starter is a reasonable plan for a contender.
Yeah but what about for the Sox?
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Cleveland seems to be making a statement going down the stretch that they are now competitively post season viable despite the fact the division is not.
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19 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
I don't see the point of trading Vaughn for minimal salary relief / flexibility. Couple a few of your wanted veterans (Anderson, Liam, Giolito, Eloy, Lynn) with bad contracts (Moncada, Grandal, Pollock, Leury, Kelly, Diekman).
Dodgers lose $134M in payroll next year if they let these free agents walk (Price $32M, T. Turner $21M, J. Turner $18M, C. Bellinger $17M, Kershaw $17M, Kimbrel $16M and Muncy $13M).
Think they would want Anderson for a year if they aren't signing Trea Turner, Liam replaces Kimbrel. They could DFA or use as bench / backend bullpen players a subset of Grandal, Pollock, Leury, Kelly, Diekman. They might also take Moncada, his $42M for two years is nothing to them. Wouldn't want Hahn making the deal, because he would f*** it up yet again, but a solid TB/CLE type GM might make a great trade with the Dodgers willing to take on big money.
Anymore I could care less about trades, whomever they are. They tried to tear it down already with trades and look where we are. The problem is when you trade to a rebuild you are stuck with grabbing whatever shiny packages are out there and trying to somehow make them work together.
How about this? How about building a damn organization that functions with some sort of coherent philosophy and developmental plan? That doesn’t happen at a trade deadline. It takes a commitment and time, and at least some degree of intelligence.. They haven’t done that and this team from the owner down is quite simply ugly - and an insult.
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51 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
I go with TWTW followed by Ganas.
Miguel Cairo told Eloy and the rest of the team you either give a s%*# or GTFO before his first game as interim manager.
Tony was the grandparent who spoiled the grandchildren, leaving them with 14 cavities and borderline obesity by feeding them ice cream, cake and pop for 90 days over the Summer.
Miguel is holding players accountable, which hasn’t happened since Ricky Renteria was here. It should have been done much earlier. Your not hearing the “I told Tony we are or are not doing this or I’m just ignoring his ass” quotes you heard from at least a few players last season.
Wow, so it looks like the substitute teacher brought the paddle and a ruler to crack some knuckles. Liking it.
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Well they aren’t mathematically eliminated but I think they are done. What convinced me was when Abreu said the team just needs to believe.
That’s an acknowledgment the players don’t believe. They no longer, at least in their minds, have anything to push for - and that’s curtains.
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3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
I’ll be honest. When they got 5 games up, even I didn’t think they’d drop back to .500.
It’s ironic they started that dead cat bounce against a team called the Tigers.
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4 hours ago, Balta1701 said:
They’re not going to be eliminated until that last week if it does happen. Cleveland would have to go on a run to make that happen, and they’ve shown no signs of sustaining one either. Right now, the most likely scenario is they maintain a tolerable lead, maybe even one that narrows a bit, and then clinch things while the White Sox and Twins are playing each other in two series in the last 10 days.
I would think if they were maybe six (two more than now) out with a couple weeks to go they would be effectively eliminated though not mathematically eliminated. I don’t think I would be on the edge of my seat at that point. Nevertheless, your scenario is the most likely.
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59 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:
I agree and of course we already know the fans are ripping the TLR hiring, but wait until the Sox miss the playoffs if that indeed does happen. I would hope its gets as brutally loud and ugly of criticism as Jerry ever has seen in his ownership life of both teams.
What will probably happen is they will be eliminated but then win nine of their last ten and blunt some of the criticism.
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When you bring in new guys, especially in a rebuild, you tend to see the ceiling as the likely outcome. That sets you up for disappointment when it doesn’t materialize perfectly.
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2 minutes ago, DirtySox said:10 minutes ago, JoeC said:
Someone else alluded to this in another thread, but probably to treat Cease's warm-up yesterday as part of his off-day routine.
Likely less disruptive to his rhythm.
Also gives Cease a start against a tougher team.
Thanks guys.
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super dumb question but why did they leave Kopech's date and move Cease's rainout date to tomorrow?
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On 8/14/2022 at 4:34 PM, JoeC said:
I guess i have always looked at rushing prospects to the big league level as a riskier proposition. You may succeed, but you are likely to have a lower chance of succeeding versus having them mature more in the minors. I have always taken the conservative approach to this (lower risk).
It’s interesting that baseball prospects typically graduate high school, go thru college, and spend a few years in the minors before reaching the majors, but football stars go straight from college, and basketball stars sometimes straight from high school.
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23 hours ago, greg775 said:
Yes you could take Cease out in the third inning in the future. Cause he goes all out, strikes out five of six. No runs. Then you go on to the next 2 inning guy. You set the rotation and Cease can come back in a day or two ,not five. It'll happen IMO. Baseball is in trouble. Analytics will figure it out regarding the use of openers, etc.
Umm...
La Russa structured the plan so that the more established members of the staff—Welch, Witt, and Darling—would enter after the starter and have the best shot at a win. “The concept was maybe the first guy would give you two or three innings, then Darling would come in for the third or fourth and at least get through the fifth, maybe the sixth,” La Russa says. “The [second] guy would give you his [50-ish] pitches, and then if he had a chance to win the game you’d go to Eck.”...
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His statement says it was in treatment he took for ringworm and that he has always tested negative in the past.
Not my dog but I’m inclined to believe him.
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This season has been one long sine wave along the .500 line. The summer of “meh”.
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19 minutes ago, Kalapse said:
In Tony's world Leury is ENTITLED to those at bats, they're HIS. It's extraordinarily upsetting.
Get used to it. He will be the 2023 regular second baseman.
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Maybe instead of jeers and boos we should just laugh them off the field every day. I follow them for entertainment and honestly, this team could pass more as a comedy act than as excellence entertainment wise. And I don’t mean Globetrotters kind of comedy. I mean 67 Mets kind of comedy.
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5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:
Two hits? That's all they got? Two goddamn hits???
You can't say goddamn on the radio
Don't worry, nobody's listening anyway.
Please tell me they aren’t going to try to strip the clothes off a life sized photo of the owner now.
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Leury would be more than willing to swap roles with him…
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Nothing today would pull me to a game I wouldn't otherwise go to. However, in the past we really tried to attend bat day. Yes, real wooden bats, at the old park, and before the neighborhood got cleaned up. I guess I can imagine why the promotion ended. Pennant day was pretty nice too, until someone lost an eye.
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1 hour ago, whitesoxwin said:
While I definitely agree that the White Sox aren't very good, if they do get to the playoffs anything can happen as we all know. Only 2 games out as bad as this season has been for them gives hope that better days are ahead. I'm not throwing in the towel yet even though each loss sure makes it harder to stay positive.
Well yes, they could wind up pulling a 2006 Cardinals, a season which always made me chuckle and think "what the **** was that?".
Better than no championship at all though I guess.
DVS drops the hammer...
in Pale Hose Talk
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Excellent point. It was also compounded by the fact that they focused on getting the lumber without worrying about whether they could find a spot for them all in the field. That's what happens when you try to reconstruct a team with a handful of deadline trades rather than commit to a coherent organizational development strategy.