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  1. 1 hour ago, knightni said:

    If the Bears stay at 2, trade down, or take Anderson or Carter?

    You really can't go wrong either way, but I'd prefer a trade down as long as we're only dropping to, say, the 6-10 range.  One thing we desperately need on this team is blue chip players, but we also just need a lot more talented players in general.  By trading down only a handful of spots, you still get a high quality player while also picking up extra draft picks.

    That said, if the trade up offers aren't good because teams aren't enamored with a player at #2 (unlikely because some GM is always going to get desperate for a QB when they feel their job security is on the line), then take Anderson or Carter.  In an ideal world, we shore up the 3T spot in Free Agency (Payne) and then use the early pick on an Edge rusher.

  2. Damn, I got excited when Breer's report said we were giving up the Baltimore pick, and now Rapaport says it's the Bears original pick.  I tend to think Rapaport is correct, but hoping he's somehow wrong.

    Our original pick will likely be about 10-12 spots higher than the Ravens.

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  3. 13 minutes ago, bmags said:


    Pretty solid return for an off-ball LB who wanted a massive contract.  I loved Roquan, but 1) he hasn't played up to expectations this year; and 2) given #1, it's hard to justify giving him the contract he wanted.  Sure, we had the Franchise Tag available, but then we'd be back in the same situation the following year.

    I'm also curious to see that the Ravens, of all teams, made this trade.  They love to build through the draft and they're very good at it.  Since they gave up 2 draft picks for him, I think it's a given they're going to pay Roquan what he wanted.  Now they have to pay Lamar and Roquan this offseason.

  4. 1 hour ago, bmags said:

    That's what I'm hoping - that they buy the trenches this year. 

    I'd prioritize Jack Conklin to slide into RT and let borom/Leatherwood compete for swing g/t spots. Center unfortunately looks lean, but maybe you try to get the end of jason kelce's years, where it feels like C has a longer lifespan.


    A'shawn robinson, daron payne, Javon hargrave are FA on the DT front, with Chubb/Clowney/Davenport leading the edge rushers. Hell, we may re-sign Robert quinn since he doesn't want to move.

    Conklin would be a great addition.  If Orlando Brown somehow becomes available (I'll have to see it to believe it), then he becomes target #1 on the OL.  Of course, he'd have plenty of teams interested in him.  Either way, Conklin or Brown would be very nice additions.

    It's really unfortunate that the WR class is weak in both the draft and free agency.  It feels like we'll have to trade for a WR, but I also think Poles is pretty adamant about building through the draft and we haven't had a full slate of draft picks in years thanks to Ryan Pace, hence not a lot of high-end young talent on this roster.  I have doubts that Poles is going to make the type of trade everyone seems to want.

  5. On 10/27/2022 at 7:35 AM, bmags said:

    I think you buy the trenches, and am a bit more confident now that Mike Evan’s will be available this offseason.

    I love Mike Evans, but he'll be 30 next year and on his last year of his deal.  Due to how his deal was structured, cutting or trading him also only frees up $2M in cap space for the Bucs, but results in $20M in dead money.

    Due to his age and the fact that you'd only have him guaranteed for 1 year, I'd give up a 7th rounder at most.  But from the Bucs' perspective, why would you trade Evans for such little return if you also are only freeing $2M in cap space?  Unfortunately doesn't feel like a match.  The Bucs could probably get more from a team who's a Super Bowl contender and wants to add a big time WR.

  6. 14 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

    Interesting - claiming him means they are going to pay him vs. waiting for him to go through waivers.  Although I'm sure it is easier to waive him since Raiders are on the hook for his bonus, etc.  I'm good with them taking a shot.  Leatherwood was over-drafted as a FRP but a change of scenery could be a good option.  

    This is the kind of pickup that makes sense for a rebuilding team like the Bears.  He's owed $1.3M this year and $1.9M next year.  We can cut him in 2024 with $0 dead cap if needed.  Small investment for a talented guy.  Worth taking a chance on.

  7. I've seen multiple places mention the Bears having the worst defense in the NFL.  I just don't see it.

    The defense was middle of the road last year.  We lost Mack and Hicks, but Mack only played 6 games, and Hicks played 9.  We had neither for at least half the season.  We significantly upgraded the secondary.  Roquan makes a big difference if he doesn't play, but I just can't see any way he sits out and doesn't get paid this year.  I'm expecting him to play, and to play well.

    Changing from a base 3-4 to a base 4-3.  From a personnel standpoint, it really isn't that challenging for this roster.  Quinn moves to DE, and has played a ton of football as a 43 DE.  Gipson played DE in a 43 in college, so not like it's new to him completely.  Otherwise, people have different assignments/etc. from a schematic standpoint, but these guys are pros.  They'll pick it up quickly.

    Is the expectation about the defense being the "worst" in the NFL purely from a statistical standpoint?  I guess it's possible if the offense is horrific and can't move the ball, leaving the defense on the field all game.  From a talent and coaching standpoint, no way is this defense the worst in the NFL.

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  8. 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    I read somewhere that sucks to the Blackhawks because they take the cap hit. i guess with the rebuild it doesn't matter much, but it could.

    Yep, that's right.  Large hit next year to the cap, but thankfully it doesn't really affect the Hawks since they're tanking.  Would be a disaster if we were actually good/going for it.



  9. Absolutely love Drew Gilbert, but he needs to clean up some mental lapses on the base paths - was an issue a few times this year.  Otherwise, he does everything else really well and the kind of player who is loved by fans/teammates, and despised by every other fan base.  He's AJ Pierzynski.

    While he didn't come through at all today (which shocked me, but it felt like he was pressing to make up for getting ejected on Friday/missing Saturday's game), for his career in general, he showed up in big moments.  The biggest being last year's regional - he hit a walk-off grand slam in the bottom of the 9th when Tennessee was down 3 runs.  He's a guy I would never bet against.  Also one of the biggest 180's you'll see in a player's personality from off the field vs. on the field.  Goes from incredibly friendly, polite kid to absolute madman when he steps on the field.


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  10. On 5/4/2022 at 4:22 PM, scs787 said:

    More than covid, I'm sure there's been a player who's been stuck behind some really good players that end up being really good players themselves.  

    I guess the question with that is why didn't he transfer sooner? 

    There were strong rumors that he was going to transfer after the 2018 season, but it never happened.  Then he ended up transferring after the 2019 season.  Word came out later that he didn't feel he'd be granted a hardship transfer waiver from the NCAA, so he would have had to sit out the 2019 season if he had transferred then.  Instead, he played at USC one more year to graduate, and then at that point, he could transfer anywhere freely (without having to sit out a year) because he was a grad transfer.

  11. 23 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    A WR breaking out at 24 years of age and being a solid WR in the NFL has never happened, at least not based on the data I have access to over the past twelve or so years.  Has never even happened for a +23 year old either.  It’s not uncommon, it would be unprecedented.  You’re also ignoring the fact that a 24 year old should be more physically developed than the 20 & 21 year olds he’s competing against.  Just like in baseball, there is a reason you typically discount the production of a minor leaguer when it comes against much younger competition.  Doesn’t mean things couldn’t have suddenly clicked for this kid, but there are certainly a lot of red flags.

    Also, I gotta disagree that taking a 25 year old special teams player in the 3rd round when you have limited draft capital and are just beginning a multi-year rebuild makes sense.  By the time our team is actually good, this dude is going to be 27 years old at minimum.  The reality is they picked him over other WRs in the 3rd because they expect him to be much more than just a special teamer.  Hopefully Poles is on the money here, because the lack of weapons & protection for Fields at the moment is really concerning.

    I agree with concerns of age if you're talking about a 1st round pick.  Those are guys you want around a very long time for sure.  But this is a 3rd round pick.  The hit rate is already low at this point in the draft.  Let's say he pans out and he starts seeing a decline after his age 32 season.  That's 7 years of good football from the guy - that's a lifetime in the NFL with how much parity exists in the league and roster turnover.  I'm absolutely taking that from a 3rd round pick if it happens.  And if he doesn't pan out, it's because the evaluation was wrong and then the age doesn't matter because he's gone long before he's out of his prime.

    As for the point about a 24 year old dominating college players because he's more physically developed.  It would be one thing if it were a lineman.  Then yes, a 24 year old man is going to be bigger and stronger than a 19 year old kid.  But Velus Jones is a speed guy.  He wasn't dominating guys off the line of scrimmage or manhandling weaker CBs beating press coverage.  His game is played from the Slot and it's about finding space.  4.3 speed is 4.3 speed.  That translates to the NFL no matter how old you are.

  12. 17 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    I’m talking about college breakouts.  The majority of high end NFL WRs had a dominant season early in their college career.  A guy finally breaking out in college at 24 years of age and being successful in the NFL would be a first.  Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but it would be unprecedented.

    I'm sure we could find an example of it at WR, but of course it's not common.  You rarely see 24 year old's in college football, unless they left to do their Mormon mission, like is common at BYU.

    Also, is anyone saying Jones is going to be a high-end NFL WR?  I don't think anyone expects that from a 3rd round pick.  If he can be a high-end return man/special teams contributor, and add some value in the Slot, that's a success.

    Development also doesn't occur for everyone at the same pace.  We saw lots of players who wouldn't have been draft picks last year, but they got drafted this year after using their extra year of eligibility b/c of the COVID season.  Who's to say we wouldn't have seen this happen a lot more in the past if all players had 5 or 6 years of eligibility?  I guarantee we would have.

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  13. 18 minutes ago, scs787 said:

    Would you guys trade a 5th round pick for Robby Anderson? Obviously a lot of quality WRs in the draft, but getting a legit starter for a 5th allows the bears to address their other needs early. 


    I probably would, but I don't think Poles would.  He seems intent on going young/building via draft, which I can't really argue with, even if I would have liked to see him add a few more veterans to surround Fields with better talent.  Also, I'd have rather traded a 5th rounder for Amari Cooper, but that's a different discussion that's already been had.

    From what I can tell on OTC, we'd only be on the hook for $12M next year (last year of Anderson's deal).  Not bad considering the contracts given to WRs this offseason, and the amount of cap space we'll have next year.

  14. 3 hours ago, SoxAce said:

    Have you seen the market these WR are getting? Not a doubt in my mind he is going to draft a WR (maybe 2) with the upcoming picks. This isn't a one year thing. And I love what he's doing cause most of his strategy is lining up for next year's draft especially with compensation pick(s).

    I hear you.  I certainly wanted no part of the contract Kirk got, or Zay Jones, etc.  But I would have absolutely given Chark the 1-year deal he got.  I would have traded a 5th rounder for Cooper -  given the contracts being dished out, $20M (with no guaranteed money left) is pretty reasonable for a player of his caliber.  Definitely still some pieces out there, but we need to land them.  And if we align with guys who were released (like a Jarvis Landry), then at least it doesn't affect the comp pick strategy.

    That would also help us take BPA in the draft.  If that's another WR (or OL) in the 2nd, great.  I just don't want them forced into taking a WR b/c they have no other options.

  15. The Pringle signing feels very Demarie Byrd to me.   Nobody should expect him to be more than a #3, but he's probably better suited as a #4.  Thankfully it's only a 1 year deal.

    The way Poles is operating is strange to me.  He hasn't doing anything to add weapons at the skill positions to help the development of his young QB.  That would seem indicate he's not a believer in Fields.  But if that's the case, why even take the Bears job?  So if he is a believer in Fields, then why are we bargain bin shopping to add offensive talent?  The only major upgrade was on the defense (who has now failed his physical).  To this point, we have not added any value to the OL.  We're about net even there with the loss of Daniels and addition of Patrick.  But also, we won't have Jason Peters, who actually graded out as our best OL.

    I know the offseason isn't done yet, but as it stands, we're only maybe better than the Texans in terms of offensive talent.  Some major additions are needed.

  16. 6 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

    Yeah - I was bummed when I saw a bunch of guards / Rams tackle sign right before free agency.  I thought Bears were going to be able to make some big splashes there.  I also wanted Cooper (cause I figured a 6th rounder would have been worth it to lock him in on a very LT flexible/cap friendly deal that keeps you out of the bidding wars of FA).  I don't think Cooper is worth his contract (from a pure $ perspective) but relative to what you'd pay in free agency and given fact I would prioritize this whole off-season around Fields...it would have just made everything else easier.  

    I felt the same about Cooper.  He was worth it for a 5th round pick.  And if Christian Kirk is truly getting $17M per year (as I just saw rumored), it only re-emphasizes your point about Cooper's deal actually being solid compared to what you have to dish out in free agency.  Cooper is a far better player, and worth the extra $3M per year.

    And if the Browns need to get out of Cooper contract after this year, it's easy.  There is zero dead money.

  17. 5 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

    Yeah - I have started to come around on this. Reality was if they didn't address in FA, they would have to address in draft and relatively early so this frees up resources to better target best available within draft.  And 3 years is nice, not too long, and therefor doesn't do a lot for long-term flexibility. Would like if they structured this to be creative and take biggest burden a year from now when they have MASSIVE cap space so that they can be more opportunistic this year and in '24 (knowing they will have more than enough in '23 regardless).  

    Totally fair way to look at it.  I'm not mad about the signing - just questioning the use of funds for a team that desperately needs all the offensive help it can get.  He's a good player, and we admittedly needed a 3T for this defense.  Getting a disruptive one makes the rest of the defense better.  Just not sure I would have shopped at the top of the Tier 1 market for it.  With all that said, I shouldn't be surprised.  We hired a defensive minded HC - he's going to want a top player at a key position in his defense.

    And we both agree on the cap standpoint - if much of the deal is pushed to 2023, I'll be happy.  I want room to operate this offseason.

  18. 3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

    A total head scratcher from me.  I have to read more but I don't like where they are spending the money (not necessarily knocking the player).  I also was less excited after I saw some good oline options sign pretty quickly.  That said - if I frame it another way - this is kind of them replacing Goldman with someone they find as a much better fit in a key role for the defense.  

    This is kind of where I'm at.  The 3T is a key part of Eberflus' defense (just it it was for Lovie's, so as Bears fans we all know how important it is).  I understand the Bears wanting to upgrade there.  But this offseason needs to be about putting Fields in the best position to succeed.  I guess I'll reserve judgement until we see Ogunjobi's cap hit is for this year, but if it takes a large chunk of our current cap space and prevents us from adding better players in free agency at WR/OL, that's a problem.  Obviously we could clear more space by restructuring deals/adding void years/etc, but I'd like to avoid that as much as possible - it's never an ideal way to make cap room, especially for a team who isn't ready to compete for championships.  We need to be as cap healthy as possible heading into a competitive window, hopefully starting in 2023.

    Ogunjobi had a really good year last year and we'll have him for prime years (27 to 30), so I am definitely not knocking the player either.  But I am knocking the allocation of resources being spent on the defense.

  19. On 10/5/2021 at 12:24 PM, ptatc said:

    The LA Rams will not have a first round pick from 2018 to 2024. That's 6 years without a first round pick. The 2017 first round pick was Goff who they had to give 2 first round picks to the Lions to take him. I would consider this more careless with draft capital.

    Yes, for sure. In my haste of posting, I did neglect to mention Les Snead being in the same boat at Pace.  However, when Snead trades draft picks, he adds Pro Bowl and/or Future Hall of Fame talent with those picks. And the Rams are built to win-now, so it makes a bit more sense to "go for it."

    I get that a 6th rounder isn't likely to amount to much. But the more picks you have, the better chance you have to hit on some picks. And honestly, to Pace's credit, he has a pretty solid track record with late round picks, which is about the only thing he does well.

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