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  1. 30 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

    Senzel still only has four years service time. Does that mean Sox get arb rights, or no?

    Yes. He’d have another year of arb control in 25, if they want it. Also, Sox will owe Senzel prorated amount of league min. Anything they pay will come off the $2M the Nats owe. 

  2. 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

    That would be ideal. I really don't think they need to see any more of Shewmake. 

    Not sure what his ailment is Shewmake has been on IL in AAA for awhile. In any event, would imagine Baldwin gets a shot before Shewmake gets another.



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  3. 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Or Robert.  Senzel also played CF for the Reds prior to this year.  But I would agree with you that it is likely DeJong.

    He’s played more MLB innings in CF than anywhere else combined including both OF spots, 3B and 2B. 

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  4. 4 minutes ago, shago said:

    What a fking joke this organization is ... Jac was by far best available player, future all-star, generational player potential, absolute baller at Florida. They pick this guy because he's a hometown/area code player (read: much cheaper). GMAFB

    I would have been fine with Cags but using another top pick on a 1B would have been risky. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

    I would demand at least 1 FV60 guy for Crochet, I'm getting Dominguez from the Yanks, some of their fans seem to be okay with giving up Jones, but I want the higher upside guy in Dominguez

    sucks that he's hurt though, again. oblique. and he had TJ last Sept.  I feel like this is a guy who you could fairly argue as a center piece for Crochet

    Im personally not enamored with a guy that has 1.2 years of service already as a return for Crochet. I’d want both Dominguez and Jones to even get the Yanks to the table. 

  6. 1 hour ago, oldsox said:

    Ya, I agree. I see little point in keeping Moncada around for 2 more months. Baldwin, Ramos, Difo, et al. can all come up.

    Difo? Gross. Just let Moncada play. 

    Will be plenty of at bats for a guy like Baldwin once DeJong and Lopez are moved, even if Moncada is playing 3B most days. 

  7. 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    This would have been an insane return for Kopech who are both controllable through 2025, have similar fastball velocities (although Kopech kills him in Stuff+), but Michael has a slightly better xERA.

    Very good sign for Kopech and the trade market in general 

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  8. 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    I'm sure a lot of teams are banging down the door to bring in Vaughn, a guy who has career negative WAR.  Really we have two premium assets, one good asset, and a bunch of mid or worthless guy that maybe if you add them all up you can get a dollar for ten dimes. 

    If we can't get premium value back for the premium guys just sell off the rest of it and see how the offseason looks. There's no need to rush. Especially if Robert continues to play well and Crochet is going to be basically babied into 50 second half innings if he stays here. We can protect their value and still keep building it.

    Thankfully a lot of those "mid" guys either come with super cheap deals or some control, or both.  I could truly see any of Banks, Brebbia, Flexen, Kopech, Soroka, DeJong, Lopez, AV, Pham and Sheets moved.  

    Pham, Kopech, DeJong, AV, Brebbia and even Banks would/should all return something of interest, imo. 

  9. 51 minutes ago, tray said:

    One of the takeaways when the Sox play the Twins is the enormous talent deficit the Sox roster has compared to the Twins. Buxton is better than Luis Robert . Lee is going to be a perennial All Star. Correa in an incredible player, etc. plus Santana, Wallner etc, and their bullpen. Sox have just had too many failed Drafts and trades over the years and I doubt money alone will fix that.

    While I don't disagree there is a fairly substantial talent difference between the two major league clubs at the moment, using Santana and Wallner as examples is pretty comical.  Also lets maybe pump the brakes a tad on Lee, guy has 35 MLB plate appearances.  He sure looks like he's going be a good player, but long way to go before calling him a perennial all star.   

    Correa is indeed a great player though.  Twins got lucky with how that FA pursuit played out.  Still a decent bit of risk in that contract for the Twins who generally spend even less $ than the Sox, and Correa does get a hurt a lot and the ankle problem still exists.  

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  10. 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

    I am more worried that the Sox continuing to abuse and reinjure already hurt players is going to do more damage with their reputation down the road than saving Jerry a few bucks on a buy out.  Sometimes penny wise is pound foolish.

    Moncada just doesn't matter any more.  Its like having a $1 lottery ticket and not scratching it off because you don't think it'll cash out anything.  Chances are remote that it will, but whats the harm?  If he hurts himself pushing it too hard to come back, you're in the same spot you're in taking it easy with him.  It really doesn't matter - he's gone after 2024 regardless. 

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  11. 44 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Judging by that tweet, the Sox are going to attempt to rush an injury-prone player back, just so they can trade him for peanuts I guess.  I agreed it doesn’t really matter because he is gone anyways but like most things this team does, it will likely end in hilarity.

    Lol what’s the harm here? If he gets hurt again, so what. May as well ride him like mule at this point. Realistically Yoan isn’t getting traded due to the economics, but maybe he comes back, gets hot and someone is persuaded to give the Sox a lottery ticket on deadline day and Sox save a few mill to throw at a reliever in the offseason. Theres really no harm here.

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  12. 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    Give me Painter and Crawford and I’m driving Robert to the airport.


    8 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    I agree. If the Sox can get a 55 FV prospect and a couple 45 FV prospects in return, I’m taking it all day. 

    Both Painter and Crawford are 55 FV prospects, fwiw.  So the math doesn't really check out here. 

  13. 13 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    Surplus value is limited if he’s just a 3 WAR player on average and is unreliable from a health perspective. I can understand why opposing GMs would be cautious.

    He's been an average 3 WAR player WITH all the injuries.  That's the point.  Even if Robert averages ~115 games the from 2025-2027 and does not really improve on his average season from 21-24, he's still a bargain at $18M AAV.   You also have him for the last 2.5 months of 2024. 

    But the acquiring team now holds all the upside, with cost certainly (and downside protection with the options), and putting him on a team that better prepares him to succeed won't hurt.  I can understand why an opposing GM would be cautious; Robert has never really fully figured it out and goes weeks without looking like he knows how to hit major league pitching and is often injured.  He is not a perfect player.  But he is certainly a player you can dream on, and even if he just is what he is, that is still a VERY valuable player.  

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  14. 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    His contract isn’t exactly cheap as those option years come into play. Has to be factored into his future trade value in these discussions.

    It is factored in.  $18M AAV from 25-27 is a bargain for Robert.  Even factoring in his injury history, he's still over a 3 fWAR player the past four seasons with the upside for 5+ if he plays 150.  Imagine if he actually figure it all out.  Plus the last two years are options, so the acquiring team has protection for a brutal injury. 

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  15. 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

    Yeah I don’t see them getting the haul people here think we will. Try to picture what you could get for him a year from now and see if that kind of offer is out there now. Accept a good offer before his value continues to decrease.

    If Robert puts in a 2023 type season (and he's certainly capable of more) in the first half of 2025, he's worth a lot more than he is right now.  There is no rush to take the best offer for Robert this July.  If someone gets aggressive and makes an offer you can't refuse, by all means trade him.  I certainly understand the risk in keeping him.  But he's still just 26 and his enormous upside potential - the value will always be there, and the control is long enough that they could even withstand a somewhat serious injury and still get a nice return in a couple years. 

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  16. 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Yeah, why let Wilson pitch and see if he can turn himself into a good trade candidate when you have stud relievers like Justin Anderson and Chad Kuhl that need innings?

    Wilson had 2 full years of service heading into 2024.  He's got plenty of control (and optioning his could create more), so they have plenty of time to turn him into a viable trade asset.  He really hasn't been that great this season, and they do need relievers, and he is cheap, so no reason why you can't hold him through 2025. 

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