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4 hours ago, T R U said:
If they play the service game with Colson and he comes up in May and becomes Alex Rodriguez, he will never see the end of that control in a White Sox uniform as of today. I would rather take a shot at the extra draft pick for the situation we are in with the decision maker of this organization.
I agree with you though, you should always maximize the control of your high end talent (potential) but even saying that you should be locking them up long before that extra year means anything anyways. In a perfect world at least.
Not following the logic here. There is no scenario where 6 years of service is better than 7 years of service minus two weeks. The remote chance of a draft pick may change the calculus ever so slightly, but not enough for a team in the Sox position IMO. Colson was terrible last year in a hitter's paradise; doubt that something will click enough in 1 offseason for him to take the big leagues by storm.
Also, if Colson comes up and is Alex Rodriguez (whether that is in April or May), there is plenty of reasons he could see the end of that control is a Sox uniform. Are you suggesting the Sox wouldn't be relevant by 2028/9 and would be looking to deal him anyway? And if that is your position, why in the world would would you trade 15 some games of a rookie for 162 of a prime player? It makes no sense.
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32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Murfee has options though and that’s just his major league contract right? If he goes to the minors, he makes a much different salary I believe.
Idk for sure, to be honest. I would assume since he signed a 1 year mlb deal, the Sox owe him his mlb salary (which is basically league min) even if he is optioned, or DFA (and not claimed).
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37 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
The problem is he only has a year left after this, so even if he’s “fixed” by Fuller he’s a limited player with limited team control. Just another reason why playing the service time manipulation game is so important, even if will likely cause the clubhouse to implode per Balta.
You should always plays the service time game with anyone other than fringe guys, IMO. Will never change my position on that.
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1 hour ago, Ducksnort said:
Who knows, maybe he'll be a late bloomer. I doubt it, but you never know.
I think it is possible. To be fair to AV, he was dealt a tough hand. No minor league development due to covid. Getting thrown into a position he hadn't played since little league at the big league level. Dealing with failure he'd never dealt with at the big league level. Everything that has transpired with the Sox since mid-22. Couldn't be easy.
I do think he has more in there. He's probably never going to reach his draft day projections, and his lack of athleticism and defensive ability really makes him a bat only player, but I do think he's a big leaguer. He's definitely a guy that had the Sox non-tendered him, I wouldn't be shocked at to have seen him go elsewhere and turn into .280/.335/.440 type hitter. Could still happen after 2026 too, I suppose. Would sure be nice to see him have a really nice first half and move him with a 1.5 seasons of control.
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5 minutes ago, Timmy U said:
My understanding is if Vaughn went to arbitration, the contract could be voided and he could be released. But, if you agree to a contract with him to avoid arbitration, that contract is guaranteed. Am I mistaken?
I believe this is correct. By avoiding arb, you're signing them to a guaranteed contract.
Same would go for Penn Murfee, who may didn't have penciled into the pen, and close to the chopping block. Though his deal would be a much cheaper one to swallow.
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16 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
They won’t be back. They’re walking with their tail between their legs after finishing the second half of the season 40-41 and getting swept at home by the lowly Royals in the first round of the playoffs.
I am all for pointing and laughing at the O's. I got a lot of joy out of watching them go 0-5 in the past 2 postseasons. And they still don't have the pitching to compete in the playoffs.
But let's also take a step back and realize how good of a position player foundation they have. They may not have a top tier farm anymore, but when you have Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday, and Jordan Westberg, and Adley Rutschman, and Cody Mayo, and Heston Kjerstad, and Colton Cowser - do you really need an elite farm system? That team is going to be good for a long time.
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14 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
And if Elias makes a bold move like trading for Cease they won’t even have those three left.
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I get why most are done with AV. But its not like Sox have any other great options between 1B/DH after Vargas. May as well give him one more shot to turn into a tradeable asset. $5.85M is nothing in baseball terms. If he sucks again, you simply non-tender for 2026 and move along.
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That's pretty cheap. Please turn into a real trade asset this year.
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42 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
So who gets DFAed as a result of this move? Scholtens is not a good SP, but he has options and there is value in having a guy like that who can be called up on a whim with no concern for their well-being or development.
Murfee and Colas are the two who seem mostly likely to me, although with only 16 positional players on the 40 man now my guess will be Murfee.
Murfee or Ellard is my guess. I don't think they cut Colas just yet (maybe that is just a hope).
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12 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
I'm not against because why not? But Sosa looks like a complete deer in the headlights at 2B. Couldn't imagine that at a lot more intensive position. Hopefully he gets over his nerves or whatever it is that have been going on for 3 years now.
Yeah, like I said, it won't be pretty defensively. But it probably won't be with Colson either if we're being honest.
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28 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Hell, at this point bring back Dejong on a one year deal just so we don’t have to see Getz blow a year of service time on one of their top prospects and not rush a guy that has yet to prove he’s ready.
No, don't do that. Just play the fringe guys we have FFS.
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20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
I have my pitchfork ready to go if Getz tries this s%*#…hopefully that isn’t the case, but keeping Amaya around was making me feel more confident about that. Baldwin is still the dude I pegged to be OD SS, but Amaya’s lack of options was helpful as a 26 man roster blocker.
Why not Sosa? It won't be super pretty, but he's primarily playing SS in winter ball, and both him and Meidroth (still waiting for that name to come naturally) need at bats. I feel like Sosa and Baldwin are a fine stop gap at SS for a couple months or less while Colson earns a promotion. Then whoever of those 3 that are not hitting go to AAA, or bench in Sosas case. Sox gotta give Sosa some extended run and 3B isn't really an option at this point.
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1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
I guess you and @Chicago White Sox are about to be shocked on March 27th then. This was one of several points that we went back and forth on earlier this week. I’m curious to see how it plays out.
I wouldn't be surprised or shocked. I just think it's a short sighted and stupid decision and he hasn't remotely earned it.
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10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Why are we burning a year of service time when we can wait a few weeks and gain an extra year of control?
Not to mention, Colson was ass in AAA last year. He hasn't earned it. I doubt he's on the Opening Day roster. White Sox will White Sox, but I don't see it with this one.
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2 hours ago, Tony said:
I just looked at the Sox 40 man because I was/am sure there are plenty of guys you can DFA, and was shocked at how many guys I've straight up never heard of, some that actually got time with the Sox last year.
Fraser Ellard?
Prelander Berrora?
Ron Marinaccio?
Gus Varland?
Man, it's a rough list lol
Not exactly an exciting list, but you probably just listed like 40% of opening day bullpen. Berroa was a big part of the Santos return, and is actually pretty interesting. Marinaccio was recently claimed and has a 3.22 big league ERA in over 120 innings; he might be the closer. Varland was recently claimed too, and was actually pretty good out of the pen end of last season. I don't care much for Ellard, and he's probably who they cut for Perez, but the org liked him enough to give him 25 big league appearances last season, and was serviceable.
The point isn't really that these guys are not cuttable, but 3/4 guys you listed are literally guys this regime brought in very recently.
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1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Yeah, they're kind of failing at this.
I also just don't like filling the roster with mid-30s fluff that isn't going to return much, not because they couldn't be useful, but because they take super valuable 40 man spots. If there is one advantage the Sox have over the league is their spot on the waiver order. Tough to take advantage of that if your 40 man is full of dudes you've recently acquired and prospects.
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25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
Amaya and Shewmake being launched sets the SS battle between C. Monty and Brooks Baldwin with Sosa and Meidroth as backup to that plan. Nick Maton can also cover SS, I guess.
I'm happy for both Amaya and Shewmake to be gone, as there is no temptation for either to start a full week between IL stints of more capable players.
Montgomery shouldn't sniff the big league roster on Opening Day. To start, I think the infield will be Rojas 3B, Sosa SS, Meidroth 2B, AV 1B, Vargas DH (with some 3B and 1B starts), and Baldwin mixing in at SS, 2B a few times a week, maybe a little 3B too.
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48 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:
Good, I wanted nothing to do with Jacob Amaya getting playing time.
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5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
They need some veteran SP to eat innings. The young guys will get plenty of innings anyway.
I guess I'd rather just roll with the young guys, or sign someone better that might actually have trade value. Just another guy that best case scenario we're getting someone else's junk. But at $3.5M + $1.5M buyout, its whatever.
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32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
The wild thing are the Marlins are literally the only team in baseball who has spent $0 on a free agent this year. Imagine being outspend by the 121 loss White Sox.
Have the Twins spent any money this offseason?
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All the MILB deals, please. Sox are certainly due for a late bloomer to click.
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37 minutes ago, oldsox said:
Correct. LA is set with Edman in Center. They don't need Robert.
Not "needing" a very good player has never really stopped LAD before. I wouldn't rule them out, though I'd still hold Robert for now if I were Getz.
Chris Getz on the REKAP podcast
in Pale Hose Talk
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Which is completely worthless to the Sox. Dude was on the team last year, and they lost the most games in the baseball history. Sox would win more games with Crochet in 2025, but they'd still be a terrible 110+ loss team. Sitting on that asset while it depreciates (and has significant risk of injury) is outrageously stupid.
I don't care if Crochet wins the CY in 2025; in fact, I hope he does. It doesn't change anything.