southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: None of us have any idea how the industry values Cease. They might value him similar to Lopez after 2018. They don't value him at Joc Peterson. That should be REALLY obvious. Even if you want to combine his last season with this one to make essentially one full season, Dylan Cease is now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: The same guy that got lit up by the Twins? If any pitcher has a bad start they're trash and must be thought of as such by the industry and sold for scraps. I get being a contrarian, but like, dude. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: They don't value him at Joc Peterson. That should be REALLY obvious. Even if you want to combine his last season with this one to make essentially one full season, Dylan Cease is now at That's not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The same guy that got lit up by the Twins? So now Cease's value is defined by one start against the Twins? Good lord man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: If any pitcher has a bad start they're trash and must be thought of as such by the industry and sold for scraps. I get being a contrarian, but like, dude. No, Cease's peripherals sucked in 2019 and 20, his spin rates jumped this year when he was doing well, and then as soon as the sticky ban went into place his command went from passable to absolute shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: That's not very good. "not very good" starting pitcher with four years of cheap control is not = to a shitty player with an expiring contract. Just no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: So now Cease's value is defined by one start against the Twins? Good lord man. Cease's value is defined by his shitty peripherals from 2019-20 and the fact that his early season improvements might have been a result of using substances. I feel like we're having the Reynaldo Lopez argument from 2018-19 all over again. Edited July 9, 2021 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Cease's value is defined by his shitty peripherals from 2019-20 and the fact that his early season improvements might have been a result of using substances. Then you don't understand trade value in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Or they think Cease sucks and has minimal value. That is a valid thought. I'm not sure that Cease doesn't completely suck. He looks like he might be Lopez part deux. Dylan Cease is English for Daniel Cabrera. Great stuff, has no idea where it's going. What in the fuck are you talking about? He’s literally 30th in fWAR this year and basically has 1 1/3 seasons worth of starts. He will likely regress some due to a lack of sticky stuff, but he has plenty of room for growth and he’s made substantial improvement in this year alone. Worst case scenario, he’s a damn good #4 starter and that has plenty of value when you’re under control for four more cheap years. Joc probably has negative value at this point. It’s a completely fucking stupid trade idea. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Then you don't understand trade value in 2021. Cease had a FIP over 6.00 and an xFIP over 5.00 last year. He sucks. His k rate as gone down significantly over his last few starts. He's displaying all of the things that made him an issue in 2019-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What in the fuck are you talking about? He’s literally 30th in fWAR this year and basically has 1 1/3 seasons worth of starts. He will likely regress some due to a lack of sticky stuff, but he has plenty of room for growth and he’s made substantial improvement in this year alone. Worst case scenario, he’s a damn good #4 starter and that has plenty of value when you’re under control for four more cheap years. Joc probably has negative value at this point. It’s a completely fucking stupid trade idea. What if you think that was substance related and the guy from 2019-20 is the real Cease? I think Cease has more trade value than Pederson, but not by much. Edited July 9, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: Bernstein and Rahimi should be fired on the spot for thinking Peterson is worth more than Cease. The level of incompetence in that thought process is mind-numbing. You have to remember, Bernstein believes his job is to create controversy and "educate" the listeners who are not as smart as him. This comment falls into the former category. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: None of us have any idea how the industry values Cease. They might value him similar to Lopez after 2018. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That's not very good. And what a Pedersons peripherals? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: If any pitcher has a bad start they're trash and must be thought of as such by the industry and sold for scraps. I get being a contrarian, but like, dude. Preach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Cease had a FIP over 6.00 and an xFIP over 5.00 last year. He sucks. His k rate as gone down significantly over his last few starts. He's displaying all of the things that made him an issue in 2019-20. Yet here he is for the 2nd year in a row outperforming those numbers by a significant margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 We'll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Yet here he is for the 2nd year in a row outperforming those numbers by a significant margin. Sticky Stuff. That is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, ptatc said: And what a Pedersons peripherals? Pederson sucks too, I think it's ridiculous just because of the control but I don't think Cease anywhere close to as much value as you guys do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Pederson sucks too, I think it's ridiculous just because of the control but I don't think Cease anywhere close to as much value as you guys do. There is a chasm of space between 4 years of even a back end starter and Joc Peterson, let alone one with the potential and arm of Dylan Cease. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: No, Cease's peripherals sucked in 2019 and 20, his spin rates jumped this year when he was doing well, and then as soon as the sticky ban went into place his command went from passable to absolute shit. His spin rate on his 4 seamer is barely up, just a bit more active spin. Edited July 9, 2021 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: There is a chasm of space between 4 years of even a back end starter and Joc Peterson, let alone one with the potential and arm of Dylan Cease. Felipe Paulino supposedly had a great arm. Hitters saw him well and lit him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Cease had a FIP over 6.00 and an xFIP over 5.00 last year. He sucks. His k rate as gone down significantly over his last few starts. He's displaying all of the things that made him an issue in 2019-20. Rookie sucks and can’t get better. You are a damn joke Parkman. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Cease had a FIP over 6.00 and an xFIP over 5.00 last year. He sucks. His k rate as gone down significantly over his last few starts. He's displaying all of the things that made him an issue in 2019-20. Dylan Cease's K/9 IP in games prior to the Houston Series/prior to the sticky ban: 11.475 Dylan Cease's K/9 IP in his last 4 games: 11.5082. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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