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13 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

I did and I wasn’t impressed. His fastball was once again hit hard by Semian and Vlad. One was an out and the other was a single. Hes got a good breaking pitch, but players are sitting on his fastball.

Players are sitting on every pitcher’s fastball.  

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I took a quick look at Kimbrel's release point yesterday compared to his release point in the 2 games in Toronto. 

He was all over the place last night with it. Usually his fastball release point is very consistent, even when he's off, but his release point yesterday had about a nearly 9 inch deviation from lowest to highest release point. 

His curve release point was a little off too, as usually they're clumped but it looked like he was throwing 2 different types of curves with 2 totally different release points. 

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If Craig doesn’t turn it around… I hereby declare that a new culinary item should be offered at all home games next season:

A burnt hotdog smothered in dark red ketchup housed in a dumpster brimming with flame decorations.

It shall be called The Kimbrel Dumpster Dog. 

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I recall reading a recent article about Heuer where he talked about how he was impressed with the technology that Cubs had for pitchers, as if it was a vast difference to what was available with the Sox.  

I wonder if Kimbrel is going through an adjustment not having the same type of resources available to him right now.  Possibly something that helped him with his turnaround this season.  

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The more he struggles the bigger the problem becomes later. I still think the plan was for him to dominate, exercise the option and trade him, but a couple more clunkers, no one will want to pay him $16 million next year, let alone give up anything for him, and it’s not like the Sox would be able to get him cheaper if they decline the option because the closers job is taken . So it is pretty much make the WS or bust. I still think he will be fine.

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1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

I have a simple solution to all this. Pickup the 2022 options on Kimbrel and Hernandez and then trade them to the Cubs for Madrigal.

I can’t understand how you haven’t already gotten a GM job somewhere. 

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Madrigal is a nice little player, but he’s not exactly going to be a WAR machine. The only thing about him that is spectacular is BA. I’m not sold he’s ever going to have enough power. Let’s not treat it like trading him up was some huge gaffe like the shields trade. In any event, giving him up while he’s injured was absolutely the right move to win RIGHT NOW. We will solve this Kimbrel problem in some way over the next month. Maybe Liam and him do need to flip roles for him to get his head back, let’s try it and see what happens. There’s too much talent for us to not be able to figure out a way to make this work IMO. 

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On 8/28/2021 at 10:01 AM, The Grinder said:

The 2021 Chicago White Sox. Where relievers  come to die

More like the book Moneyball taught the world damn near two decades ago that buying high, especially on RPs, is stoopud.

Yes, Kimbrel "WAS" a HOF pitcher years ago. And yes, Kimbrel had a nice half-season with the scrubs. But, I'd bet that Kimbrel's 2021 with the scrubs was probably a mirage/the beginning of his inevitable age-related decline. 

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10 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

More like the book Moneyball taught the world damn near two decades ago that buying high, especially on RPs, is stoopud.

Yes, Kimbrel "WAS" a HOF pitcher years ago. And yes, Kimbrel had a nice half-season with the scrubs. But, I'd bet that Kimbrel's 2021 with the scrubs was probably a mirage/the beginning of his inevitable age-related decline. 

Oakland has advanced past the division series all of once since 1993, so maybe that theory of not buying high on relievers works great for the regular season but doesn't help you win playoff games.

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