Greg Hibbard Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Is this the best value for a veteran slugger on a $50 million+ contract in MLB? Since 2020, Abreu has generated 8.5 fWAR, and the Sox have paid him to date 2020 37% of 12,666,667 - $4,686,666 2021 $17,666,667 2022 (to date - 88 team games played out of 162) $10,683,127 $33,036,460 paid to date / 8.5 fWAR = $3,886,642 per 1 fWAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Spotrac calculates something called "production points" which they describe as similar to fantasy points calculated across all production categories. In that ranking, out of veterans (excluding early career guys/first contract guys) Abreu comes in 15th in the bigs and best on the White Sox this season. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/valuation/batters/gmpct-60/veterans/ 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Has anyone done a well check on Ron after this thread? 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashFan Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 But what is the price per TWTW on this roster? 🤔 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 And to think, we debated putting this man to pasture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Jose Abreu putting up one of the best seasons of his career at the ripe young age of 35 🤔 very Nelson Cruz-esque. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: Is this the best value for a veteran slugger on a $50 million+ contract in MLB? Since 2020, Abreu has generated 8.5 fWAR, and the Sox have paid him to date 2020 37% of 12,666,667 - $4,686,666 2021 $17,666,667 2022 (to date - 88 team games played out of 162) $10,683,127 $33,036,460 paid to date / 8.5 fWAR = $3,886,642 per 1 fWAR Just to clarify, that's 0.707 Leurys per fWAR. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I think a #REF came up when they tried to calculate it for Leury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, ron883 said: Jose Abreu putting up one of the best seasons of his career at the ripe young age of 35 🤔 very Nelson Cruz-esque. Jose Abreu OPS + by year. 2014-171 2015-135 2016-124 2017-141 2018-117 2019-118 2020-165 2021-124 2022-141 Weird definition of "one of the best", but sure slugger, keep swinging for the fences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Jose Abreu OPS + by year. 2014-171 2015-135 2016-124 2017-141 2018-117 2019-118 2020-165 2021-124 2022-141 Weird definition of "one of the best", but sure slugger, keep swinging for the fences. Thank you for proving my point. 2020 was the 60-game plandemic season, so you can throw that one out. Based on OPS+, he's tied for his 2nd best season of his career. At the young age of 35 years old. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 hours ago, JoeC said: Just to clarify, that's 0.707 Leurys per fWAR. It was just cruel to put it this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 hours ago, T R U said: And to think, we debated putting this man to pasture. Not all of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Spotrac calculates something called "production points" which they describe as similar to fantasy points calculated across all production categories. In that ranking, out of veterans (excluding early career guys/first contract guys) Abreu comes in 15th in the bigs and best on the White Sox this season. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/valuation/batters/gmpct-60/veterans/ This is awesome. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: This is awesome. Thanks! Agreed. The key take away for me from that chart is the fact Abreu is 15th among veterans, but 71st overall, emphasizing the importance of capitalizing on selecting and developing the best young players to be among the top winning teams in baseball. Tim Anderson and is the Sox' leader, Luis Robert is right there with Abreu, and Vaughn is within striking distance and doing well for a 24 year old. Burger has done OK, and the rest of the team is ranked low to among the worst in MLB. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/valuation/batters/chicago-white-sox/gmpct-60/active/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: This is awesome. Thanks! I wish I could understand it. How is Cease barely ahead of Aaron Nola when Cease is making $750K this year and Nola is making $11.25M ? If the Sox do go after pitching maybe it should be Martin Perez (31 yrs old) more than Castillo if TX decides to sell. Rangers getting great value since he was a $4M signing on March 11 while Sox signed Cueto (37) for just a little more ($4.2M) on April 5th ,2 days after they found out Lynn was done for 6-8 weeks. But it was a Minor league contract so his prorated rate is $3.32M . So even though the Sox needed starting pitching depth, the move for Cueto only came after Lynn was injured. I mean sure Hahn can spin it another way but the dates speak for themselves. It was a desperation move born from the Lynn injury. Remember he had that May 15th opt out clause in his deal so he could've got away from the Sox and they left him down there as long as possible to pay him less but he was signed just before the season started. The Twins and Tiger both had shown interest in him before he signed with the Sox. I wonder if the Sox ever checked in on Perez. March 11 Rangers sign Martin Perez $4M March 13 Sox sign Vince Velasquez $3M . Based on the dates the Sox could've offered Perez $3M . He turned it down. Sox pivoted and signed V V for the $3M instead. April 3 Sox announce Lance Lynn will miss 6-8 weeks. April 5 Sox sign Cueto $4.2M minor league deal (Prorated to $3.32M) after call up. Edited July 15, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Jim Bowden says the Sox are expected to re-sign him. Not that that is much a surprise but good to hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Jim Bowden says the Sox are expected to re-sign him. Not that that is much a surprise but good to hear. Why would he want to come back to this mess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 13 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: Why would he want to come back to this mess? Comfortable in a low-pressure environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Comfortable in a low-pressure environment. Not from his post-game quotes two days ago. And, as they learned from Lynn and Keuchel, no guarantees at this age of repeat performance. Erwin Santana went from pretty great to terrible in the blink of an eye, for example. Must have been strange pitching in the same stadium where he won a WS seven years earlier…closer to his prime, after now having joined another supposed World Series contender as the clock is ticking on his career. Bet he would have a lot more to say about the differences between those two teams. Edited August 12, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Jim Bowden says the Sox are expected to re-sign him. Not that that is much a surprise but good to hear. Sucks for him. Would be cool to see him go to a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Not from his post-game quotes two days ago. And, as they learned from Lynn and Keuchel, no guarantees at this age of repeat performance. Erwin Santana went from pretty great to terrible in the blink of an eye, for example. We need to move on from this whole coaching staff. Watching a low-energy team play out the string is of little interest to me. The Royals looked for all to see like the better baseball team. I have defended the FO and ownership more than most but this has been brutal. I honestly feel that almost any average fan could put together better lineups and make in-game decisions equal to or better than LaRussa. I didn't like him the first time and he is far worst this go-round. Jerry's first responsibility should be to the fan who supports this franchise, not some employee he regrets firing 35 years ago. Tony's HOF plaque says "master of maneuvering lineups and managing bullpens"---give me a break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, poppysox said: We need to move on from this whole coaching staff. Watching a low-energy team play out the string is of little interest to me. The Royals looked for all to see like the better baseball team. I have defended the FO and ownership more than most but this has been brutal. I honestly feel that almost any average fan could put together better lineups and make in-game decisions equal to or better than LaRussa. I didn't like him the first time and he is far worst this go-round. Jerry's first responsibility should be to the fan who supports this franchise, not some employee he regrets firing 35 years ago. Tony's HOF plaque says "master of maneuvering lineups and managing bullpens"---give me a break. Have won 4 of their last 6 series. Red Sox 3-1, White Sox 3-1, first time back to back two four game series wins since 2014 WS team. Gave the Astros and Yankees all they could handle, too. Very similar to the Tigers the finals two months of 2021. Edited August 12, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 He has always been a great value for his production per what they pay him relative to other great power hitters. Yet I think we are forgetting one important point. He is a free agent after the season. With this horse shit manager and coaching staff and underperforming team, who says Jose will even want to sign again with the Sox? We know there are other good teams out there and probably closer to winning a championship, especially since he will be turning 36 next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Have won 4 of their last 6 series. Red Sox 3-1, White Sox 3-1, first time back to back two four game series wins since 2014 WS team. Gave the Astros and Yankees all they could handle, too. Very similar to the Tigers the finals two months of 2021. Teams that run out every play and steal bases whenever possible make us look bad. This team needs swagger but we look intimidated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 There is a logjam at 1B/DH so someone has to go. Either Vaughn or Sheets if Abreu resigns. I would trade Sheets but Vaughn has more value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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