GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Preller was terrible competing or retooling on the fly. Realistically, you have to judge by everything from Tatis and that huge international signing class onwards. That will give you a much different picture than his first run at competing, which was pushed upon him by an impatient ownership group…the same one that got impatient with James Shields under Ron Fowler. Matt Kemp, then to ATL for Hector Olivera/salary relief What was traded: Joe Wieland, Yasmani Grandal, Zach Eflin Justin Upton What was traded: Max Fried, Jace Peterson, Dustin Peterson, Mallex Smith What was received: Left as Free Agent Wil Myers What was traded: Jake Bauers, Burch Smith, Rene Rivera, Joe Ross and Trea Turner What was received: Still on Team Craig Kimbrel What was traded: Jordan Paroubeck, Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quentin, Competitive Balance Pick What was received: Logan Allen, Javier Guerra, Carlos Asujae, Manuel Margot The Competitive Balance Pick the Padres sent did end up turning into top prospect Austin Riley, but overall three years leader and this looks like a weak package for one of the best closers in the game. I like that you conveniently left out Matt Wisler in the Kimbrel trade who was a top level prospect and that they had to take on a godawful B.J. Upton. Just to make your Padres look better. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Easy. 29 yr old relief pitcher and no prior history of success. Sell high get all you can before he implodes. Sure he could have discovered the secret to success but Orioles aren't winning this year. They are rebuilding and doing it smartly. Trade older breakout guys in a position that has a wide variance in results like relief pitchers. The O's have a better record than the Sox and are 2.5 GB of a WC. I don't see you campaigning for the Sox to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Yeah fair enough. Hahn is awful so didn't mean to even inadvertently defend him. CJ Abrams, Campusano, Wood, Hassell, Merrill…some combination of Gore, Weathers, Morejon and Baez more than enough to get any trade done that they want unless Friedman or Cards go all-in. Preller the only one fighting for his job today of those three GM’s. Not only that, but he’s traded the Indians half their lineup including Naylor, Brash/Torrens/Trammell/Ty France to Seattle, Margot/Patino/Mejia to TB, Urias and Lauer to Milwaukee, he has basically spun his wheels the last two years, adding All Star pitchers right and left yet still unable to compete with the Dodgers without Soto and Josh Bell arguably. A month ago they were right there with LA but just had a terrible July. Still three games behind their position last mid-August before the great implosion the White Sox might be going through right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Go to PadresTalk. They'll welcome you with open arms for all your positive takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: The O's have a better record than the Sox and are 2.5 GB of a WC. I don't see you campaigning for the Sox to sell. Because the Orioles and Red Sox are realistic about their relative positions. For Baltimore, they’re still at least one year early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 i wish we had the guardians ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, chw42 said: I'm just surprised the market for him was that low when all we've been hearing about his how many teams are interested in relievers. He's not even a rental. Theoretically ,he was available to the Sox too and as usual the Sox went for a 34 yr. old. They can't give up any 4 assets for him. They gave up as little as possible for Diekman. To be effective as a GM you have to ID a player in an organization like the Orioles and ask yourself what are the goals of the Orioles GM. He's building, so young pitching is always a need, so any oldish breakout relief pitcher with some control is going to be sold. MN identified that and got a good player for this year but who really knows beyond this year. Maybe he turns back into a pumpkin. But that is part of a reason you have scouting and also look into why he is better this year. But in the end he's still just a relief pitcher with a high variance in performance without any sustained success. Edited August 2, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Go to PadresTalk. They'll welcome you with open arms for all your positive takes. They are one of the only teams making moves. I just listed 4-5 terrible trades Preller made as well. What should Hahn be praised for exactly? The Padres will definitely fire Preller if he doesn't at least make the postseason and at least advance one round. Versus Hahn’s lifetime tenure at the country club job of a lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, bmags said: i wish we had the guardians ownership. And Cohen financial backing… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, bmags said: i wish we had the guardians ownership. Serious? They are cheap. They make Jerry look like George Steinbrenner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 The Orioles selling Mancini and Lopez gives me hope Santander is available. They have a shit ton of OF talent in the minors. I think trading Mancini is a part of them maybe just moving up the OF's in the minors incrementally , testing them, seeing who continues to play well before they trade a power bat like Santander but he should go too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, HoosierSox said: Serious? They are cheap. They make Jerry look like George Steinbrenner. They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, T R U said: They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic New ownership needs to happen and will happen eventually and than we’ll see drastic changes. Edited August 2, 2022 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, T R U said: They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic Cheap isn't quite the accurate word for it. Overall payroll is reasonable. It's just very badly misallocated. Too much invested in relievers, utility guys and 1B/DH playing out of position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, T R U said: They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic Not to defend ownership because they don't deserve it at all. But the Sox have a top 10 payroll. The Guardians consistently have a bottom 10 payroll. They just use it waaaaay more efficiently than our management does. Edited August 2, 2022 by soxfan3530 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, T R U said: They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic Yes they are cheap. They are probably somewhere around the 2nd or 3rd worst franchise in baseball. Giving out a big contract doesn't change that. They have a sub 60 million dollar payroll this season and are selling players again while 2 games out of first place. Their payroll last year was $50 million. They are the definition of cheap. If Oakland didn't exist, they would be in the running for the cheapest in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, CentralChamps21 said: Cheap isn't quite the accurate word for it. Overall payroll is reasonable. It's just very badly misallocated. Too much invested in relievers, utility guys and 1B/DH playing out of position. The Sox aren't cheap, they're just terrible at spending money. Part of the problem is JR's unwillingness to give out huge contracts. They're too risk-averse when it comes to premium players. What they don't understand is that over-spending and setting the market on mid-level players is even more risky than spending big on a few premium free agents. See: Dallas Keuchel and post 2021 Yasmani Grandal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, soxfan3530 said: Not to defend ownership because they don't deserve it at all. But the Sox have a top 10 payroll. The Guardians consistently have a bottom 10 payroll. They are just use it waaaaay more efficiently than our management does. Yes, the White Sox do a great job of having a collection of players in the 10-18 million dollar range. That's how these guys operate. Well offer the 100 million dollar deal even though this guy is going to sign for 150 million plus to say "hey, we are trying". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yes they are cheap. They are probably somewhere around the 2nd or 3rd worst franchise in baseball. Giving out a big contract doesn't change that. They have a sub 60 million dollar payroll this season and are selling players again while 2 games out of first place. Their payroll last year was $50 million. They are the definition of cheap. If Oakland didn't exist, they would be in the running for the cheapest in baseball. Sorry, to clarify I wasn't trying to say Cleveland wasn't cheap. I am aware that they are. It was more of a reaction from the comparison to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The O's have a better record than the Sox and are 2.5 GB of a WC. I don't see you campaigning for the Sox to sell. How does one relate to the other ? The Sox aren't rebuilding. The Sox are stupid and will continue to be stupid. Our rebuild is on it's last legs . Orioles aren't tricking themselves into thinking they are ready to win now and mortgage the future. They are stockpiling now. The Sox don't stockpile and we're supposed to be in a multiple championship window of sustained success. I know that's been BS from the beginning therefore I'm still holding out hope for some buying and playoff miracles. Selling isn't going to solve anything just will be more of the same ineptitude and BS coming from Hahn's mouth. Edited August 2, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, T R U said: They are cheap? Were in the Chicago market and haven't given out a contract larger than 73 Million Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Pirates... the only teams in baseball to not exceed a 100 million dollar deal.. pathetic We have no problem spending money on junk relievers and the Leury Garcia's of the world. Payroll is in the top half of baseball. That's on the front office for not spending wisely. Guardians had to trade away Lindor and got Jose Ramirez on a relatively cheap contract. I'll take the Guardians front office but not the cheap ownership. If they had an owner that spent like JR with their front office they would run away with the Central every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, T R U said: Sorry, to clarify I wasn't trying to say Cleveland wasn't cheap. I am aware that they are. It was more of a reaction from the comparison to the Sox. Ah, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Morosi, Heyman and Bob all saying now a Padres Soto deal is very close but not done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harry Chappas Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Morosi, Heyman and Bob all saying now a Padres Soto deal is very close but not done Tatis and cash have to be involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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