southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Things being missed: The minimum salary is $720,000, not $700,000. This totals an extra $1.2 million for the players listed. Only 24 players are included. This is an extra $1.44 million not being counted, although that can be shifted to other guys if someone is signed. $1 million in deferred money to Abreu. $197 million is the payroll last year - if you are counting things like Moncada's signing bonus, Pollock's signing bonus as part of last year's salary. Or, alternatively, it looks that high if you count guys like Romy as receiving a full year's salary, when they only receive a portion of the years' salary. If you total up everyone that they spent big league money on, it comes out around $190 million without the signing bonuses. 20k X 6 is 120k, not 1.2m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I am sure Balta will tell you his numbers are better, but I have it more like $168.8M at the moment, not including signing bonuses spread across multiple years, a differed $1M due to Abreu, etc. True salary is $168.8M. I also believe Sox final 2022 payroll was $197M. Guaranteed Lynn - $18.5M Grandal - $18.25M Moncada - $17M Hendriks - $14M Pollock - $13M (player option with $5M buyout) Anderson - $12.5M (team option) Jimenez - $9.5M Robert - $9.5M Kelly - $9M Graveman - $8M Garcia - $5.5M Bummer - $3.75M Diekman - $3.5M *This assumes White Sox turn down Harrison's $5.5M team option* *Other impending FA's include Abreu, Cueto, Valasquez, and Andrus* TOTAL GUARANTEED = $142M Arbitration Eligible *updated based on MLBTR projections* Cease (arb 1) - $5.3M Kopech (arb 1) - $2.2M Mendick (arb 1) - $1M Giolito (arb 3) - $10.8M Lopez (arb 3) - $3.3M Engel (arb 3) - NON TENDER (MLBTR projection of $2.3M) Ruiz (arb 1) - NON TENDER (MLBTR projection of $1M) Crochet (pre-arb) - $700k Gonzalez (pre-arb) - $700k Lambert (pre-arb) - $700k Sheets (pre-arb) - $700k Vaughn (pre-arb) - $700k Zavala (pre-arb) - $700k TOTAL ARB = $26.8M; TOTAL PAYROLL = $168.8M The White Sox 2022 payroll was ~$197M, so this gives the Sox around $30M to spend to match 2022 payroll Thanks for doing this. It was really helpful for me to see. It makes me think buying out Pollock at 5M is a no-brainer. Save another 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Thanks for doing this. It was really helpful for me to see. It makes me think buying out Pollock at 5M is a no-brainer. Save another 8? AJ Pollock has a player option for $13 million, not a team option. He would have to decline it, the team does not get to choose this. If he declines it, he gets $5 million. As he is unlikely to make more than $8 million on the free agent market, he seems likely to pick it up unless he is ready to retire or really wants out of Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 20k X 6 is 120k, not 1.2m Fixed, thank you. Think I have it now, $21 million matches this years payrolll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: 20k X 6 is 120k, not 1.2m Misread the post. Edited November 5, 2022 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 8 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I am thinking 1/$12-14M, with a $20M team option with $3M buyout. So $15-17M guaranteed. Boras doesn't do team options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) I'll just post this here. It's from my post "The White Sox Cannot Be Fixed By Next Season" ****** Let me jump back in my own topic to break it down a bit further. CAN'T STAY HEALTHY Batters C - Grandal SS - Anderson 3B - Moncada CF - Robert LF/DH - Jimenez Burger (AAA/Majors) Mendick Pitchers SP - Kopech SP - Lynn RP - Bummer RP - Foster RP - Velasquez RP - Kelly APPEARED ON IL IN 2022 LF/CF - Pollock LF/RF/1B/DH Vaughn CF - Engel RP - Hendriks CAN'T HIT LEFT HANDED (or hit RIGHT HANDERS) Moncada Grandal Pollock Most of the rest of the right handers CAN'T FIELD Vaughn (OF) Sheets (OF) Jimenez (Anywhere) Anderson (SS) Grandal (C) -- can't hold baserunners Zavala (C) -- is he better this year? He was bad last year. HAS AN ALBATROSS CONTRACT 3B - Moncada C - Grandal (for 2023) LF - Pollock (player option) Util - Garcia IS BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE SP - Giolito SP/RP - Velasquez RP - Ruiz RP - Kelly RP - Diekman 2B - Harrison LF - Pollock 3B - Moncada C - Grandal CF - Engel 2B - Gonzalez Util - Garcia The ONLY players who are above league average and who play every time they are called on are: Jose Abreu, who is a free agent Dylan Cease Johnny Cueto, who is also a free agent Davis Martin (barely above with 106 ERA+) Kendall Graveman Reynaldo Lopez Jimmy Lambert Not sure you can build your team around 7 guys, 2 of whom are free agents. Edited November 5, 2022 by VAfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 hours ago, VAfan said: I'll just post this here. It's from my post "The White Sox Cannot Be Fixed By Next Season" ****** Let me jump back in my own topic to break it down a bit further. CAN'T STAY HEALTHY Batters C - Grandal SS - Anderson 3B - Moncada CF - Robert LF/DH - Jimenez Burger (AAA/Majors) Mendick Pitchers SP - Kopech SP - Lynn RP - Bummer RP - Foster RP - Velasquez RP - Kelly APPEARED ON IL IN 2022 LF/CF - Pollock LF/RF/1B/DH Vaughn CF - Engel RP - Hendriks CAN'T HIT LEFT HANDED (or hit RIGHT HANDERS) Moncada Grandal Pollock Most of the rest of the right handers CAN'T FIELD Vaughn (OF) Sheets (OF) Jimenez (Anywhere) Anderson (SS) Grandal (C) -- can't hold baserunners Zavala (C) -- is he better this year? He was bad last year. HAS AN ALBATROSS CONTRACT 3B - Moncada C - Grandal (for 2023) LF - Pollock (player option) Util - Garcia IS BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE SP - Giolito SP/RP - Velasquez RP - Ruiz RP - Kelly RP - Diekman 2B - Harrison LF - Pollock 3B - Moncada C - Grandal CF - Engel 2B - Gonzalez Util - Garcia The ONLY players who are above league average and who play every time they are called on are: Jose Abreu, who is a free agent Dylan Cease Johnny Cueto, who is also a free agent Davis Martin (barely above with 106 ERA+) Kendall Graveman Reynaldo Lopez Jimmy Lambert Not sure you can build your team around 7 guys, 2 of whom are free agents. While there is some merit to each of these points, it’s not as dire of a situation as you’re presenting. Here’s what needs to happen this offseason to make the Sox a playoff team in 2023: Hire a manager who will demand a strong effort every day and who will not adhere to outdated, old-school baseball tendencies - COMPLETE Hire a hitting coach who will install a hitting philosophy centered around power & OBP and not just contact - COMPLETE Continue to modernize the training and strength & conditions staffs - SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE PLANS FOR THIS BASED ON WHAT HAHN WAS WHISPERING TO GRIFOL DURING PRESS CONFERENCE Develop & execute off-seasoning training plans for all players - CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN NOW WITHOUT LOCKOUT & WILL HAPPEN PER GRIFOL Stop playing 1B/DH types in the OF - HAHN CONFIRMED WILL HAPPEN Improve the lineup’s balance with LH hitters who can hit quality RHP - TBD Add a legit SP to the major rotation and find some pitching depth for AAA - TBD Of the seven off-season priorities, two are complete and three more appear to be happening. For the first time in forever, I actually feel like what’s needed to get the most out of this existing roster will be in place. The big questions are will Jerry spend the money to fill our remaining holes with quality options and is Hahn actually capable of identifying & procuring the right talent. Both of those remain to the he seen and are reasons for pessimism given their track records. But that being said, I think we’re going to see much better performance out of the guys we already have. The negative impact that Tony had on our team last year can not be understated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Start Colas and Sosa to start the season and sign a vet SP that can throw 150+ innings of ERA not much above 4 or better. Explore any and all trade options for Grandal/Pollack/Moncada Easier said than done…but figure out 1 last move to put the team over the top- a LH hitter with pop that can fill a corner OF spot with at least above average D. Easy option is sign Nimmo, but we all know how that will likely go. Conforto is probably worth the gamble, but is a risk and no guarantee in we can sign him. Trade options are few and far between, but have to explore all options including trading guys like Crochet, Burger, Ramos and Cespedes. Not saying those guys will net us a star, but some combo should get a quality starter. Edited November 5, 2022 by TheFutureIsNear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I think they make a trade for Merrifield in Toronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tony said: I think they make a trade for Merrifield in Toronto Just what we need. More poor fits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tony said: I think they make a trade for Merrifield in Toronto Why not just keep Josh Harrison at that point? Either go young or do something big like Vaughn+ for Jazz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 On 11/4/2022 at 1:05 PM, Balta1701 said: One surprise to me in that Heyman projection piece: Goodbye old friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why not just keep Josh Harrison at that point? Either go young or do something big like Vaughn+ for Jazz. Uggh, can't we set our sights a tad higher than Josh? I'd love Jazz, but I doubt Vaughn has a lot of value right now. Edited November 5, 2022 by Sarava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 We have a comfort level with Elvis that does not involve Josh plus there are a number of other infield candidates not named Leury. Spots taken by Engel and Josh need to be upgraded by legit MLB talent esp if two spots are going to Leury and Sheets not to mention old grandad. They might have room for three new faces and they better be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Just now, pcq said: We have a comfort level with Elvis that does not involve Josh plus there are a number of other infield candidates not named Leury. Spots taken by Engel and Josh need to be upgraded by legit MLB talent esp if two spots are going to Leury and Sheets not to mention old grandad. They might have room for three new faces and they better be good. Elvis Andrus is very likely to be a downgrade from Josh Harrison if he were to be kept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Elvis Andrus is very likely to be a downgrade from Josh Harrison if he were to be kept. We better be careful with Harrison. I think people are assuming because he was better in the 2nd half, that he will be fine next year. He turns 36 midseason next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sarava said: We better be careful with Harrison. I think people are assuming because he was better in the 2nd half, that he will be fine next year. He turns 36 midseason next year. I think people need to be more careful with Andrus. He was amazing for the White Sox and there’s nothing in his profile that suggests he will ever have another 2 month stretch like that, let alone a full season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I think people need to be more careful with Andrus. He was amazing for the White Sox and there’s nothing in his profile that suggests he will ever have another 2 month stretch like that, let alone a full season. I don't disagree, but Harrison isn't the answer here IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sarava said: I don't disagree, but Harrison isn't the answer here IMO. Oh I totally agree. That’s the one position where we have enough depth to say heck with it, go with what we have. It would be nice to have enough money to go for Turner there, but it’s just not practical. There’s a good chance we get enough from some combination of kids, and if we don’t, that is unlikely to make or break the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why not just keep Josh Harrison at that point? Either go young or do something big like Vaughn+ for Jazz. People can't ever seem to separate what someone might think the Sox WILL do, and what they think the Sox SHOULD do...two very different things. They have a hole at 2B, the new manager and hitting coach are coming from the Royals, and Merrifield has traditionally killed the Sox. The Sox have had an illustrious history of grabbing players past their prime that gave them fits 4 years ago. I don't think it's a stretch. I didn't say I would endorse it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Gleyber Torres could be available and if the rumor is true, would be someone the Sox should consider trading for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said: Gleyber Torres could be available and if the rumor is true, would be someone the Sox should consider trading for. A quick check says that Torres has an arbitration projection of $9.8 million next year. If there is not a substantial payroll boost, that leaves you $12 million to spend the rest of the offseason to cover OF and Pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Sarava said: Uggh, can't we set our sights a tad higher than Josh? I'd love Jazz, but I doubt Vaughn has a lot of value right now. I don’t want to keep Big Energy. My point is we should strive higher than Merrifield or just go with the young guys we already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Tony said: People can't ever seem to separate what someone might think the Sox WILL do, and what they think the Sox SHOULD do...two very different things. They have a hole at 2B, the new manager and hitting coach are coming from the Royals, and Merrifield has traditionally killed the Sox. The Sox have had an illustrious history of grabbing players past their prime that gave them fits 4 years ago. I don't think it's a stretch. I didn't say I would endorse it. As bad as Rick Hahn is, I can’t see that happening, although the Royals angle does add some possibility to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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