Chicago White Sox Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) After listening to the latest White Sox Talk Podcast episode with Jon Morosi, I think I’ve lost all optimism for next year. The off-season they came up with was trading Giolito for Teoscar Hernandez and then resigning Cueto and signing Ross Stripling to complete the pitching staff. Don’t get me wrong, Teoscar is fine player, but I’d be super disappointed if that was our off-season. And honestly, it’s hard to expect much better with Rick Hahn making the trade. EDIT: And maybe Kevin Kiermaier and/or Adam Frazier. Edited November 13, 2022 by Chicago White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Take with a massive grain of salt, but posting to hear how people would feel about such a move. Said he expects him to sign pretty soon and that a deal should be in the 2/$20M range. Has the Angels as the favorites though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: After listening to the latest White Sox Talk Podcast episode with Jon Morosi, I think I’ve lost all optimism for next year. The off-season they came up with was trading Giolito for Teoscar Hernandez and then resigning Cueto and signing Ross Stripling to complete the pitching staff. Don’t get me wrong, Teoscar is fine player, but I’d be super disappointed if that was our off-season. And honestly, it’s hard to expect much better with Rick Hahn making the trade. EDIT: And maybe Kevin Kiermaier and/or Adam Frazier. LMAO 🤣 that’s so good and pathetic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: After listening to the latest White Sox Talk Podcast episode with Jon Morosi, I think I’ve lost all optimism for next year. The off-season they came up with was trading Giolito for Teoscar Hernandez and then resigning Cueto and signing Ross Stripling to complete the pitching staff. Don’t get me wrong, Teoscar is fine player, but I’d be super disappointed if that was our off-season. And honestly, it’s hard to expect much better with Rick Hahn making the trade. EDIT: And maybe Kevin Kiermaier and/or Adam Frazier. I would ease any expectations you have on this off-season free agent wise. Most noise they are gonna make is if they can be active in the trade market. They’ve been saying this since the day TLR stepped away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Take with a massive grain of salt, but posting to hear how people would feel about such a move. Said he expects him to sign pretty soon and that a deal should be in the 2/$20M range. Has the Angels as the favorites though. If it’s only 2 year/$20M (give or take an extra couple mill), I think I would be ok with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 The team "on paper" going into 2023 isn't going to look better than the team "on paper" looked going into 2022. The best we can hope for is patching a couple holes with randoms and (hopefully) some shuffling of value from positions of depth to positions of weakness via trade. Then we roll the dice again and hope for healthy, productive season from the underperformers from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: The team "on paper" going into 2023 isn't going to look better than the team "on paper" looked going into 2022. The best we can hope for is patching a couple holes with randoms and (hopefully) some shuffling of value from positions of depth to positions of weakness via trade. Then we roll the dice again and hope for healthy, productive season from the underperformers from last year. We, unfortunately, do not have this anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: We, unfortunately, do not have this anywhere. DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Snopek said: DH? Yeah pretty much just that haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Take with a massive grain of salt, but posting to hear how people would feel about such a move. Said he expects him to sign pretty soon and that a deal should be in the 2/$20M range. Has the Angels as the favorites though. I would love Clevinger at 2/$20M. I think that’s the exact type Of move they need to finish out the starting 5. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: The team "on paper" going into 2023 isn't going to look better than the team "on paper" looked going into 2022. The best we can hope for is patching a couple holes with randoms and (hopefully) some shuffling of value from positions of depth to positions of weakness via trade. Then we roll the dice again and hope for healthy, productive season from the underperformers from last year. That's the thing, going into both 2021 and 2022 the same core was looked at as somewhere around a 90 win team. In 21they did win 93 with essentially the same basic core. Unless the Monstars stole all of their powers, it is in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I would love Clevinger at 2/$20M. I think that’s the exact type Of move they need to finish out the starting 5. Agreed. I really like Clevinger and especially at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I would love Clevinger at 2/$20M. I think that’s the exact type Of move they need to finish out the starting 5. Let’s add all the nut bags 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, bmags said: Let’s add all the nut bags Tommy Pham could fill the right-handed OF hole... Edited November 13, 2022 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I would love Clevinger at 2/$20M. I think that’s the exact type Of move they need to finish out the starting 5. I agree. Clevinger might be around the place where he starts to regain his pre-TJ form. This would be a great signing. Edited November 13, 2022 by Sarava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: After listening to the latest White Sox Talk Podcast episode with Jon Morosi, I think I’ve lost all optimism for next year. The off-season they came up with was trading Giolito for Teoscar Hernandez and then resigning Cueto and signing Ross Stripling to complete the pitching staff. Don’t get me wrong, Teoscar is fine player, but I’d be super disappointed if that was our off-season. And honestly, it’s hard to expect much better with Rick Hahn making the trade. EDIT: And maybe Kevin Kiermaier and/or Adam Frazier. I don’t think that Rick Hahn will be front office member to blame if this off-season goes as poorly as expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: That's the thing, going into both 2021 and 2022 the same core was looked at as somewhere around a 90 win team. In 21they did win 93 with essentially the same basic core. Unless the Monstars stole all of their powers, it is in there somewhere. The 93 win team is now missing Carlos Rodon and Jose Abreu, and facing a tougher schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 54 minutes ago, Sarava said: I agree. Clevinger might be around the place where he starts to regain his pre-TJ form. This would be a great signing. Why would he be after 2 years, if there’s no opt out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The 93 win team is now missing Carlos Rodon and Jose Abreu, and facing a tougher schedule. I forgot Dylan Cease still sucks and Andrew Vaughn is dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I forgot Dylan Cease still sucks and Andrew Vaughn is dead. Also, it's a 70 win team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Why would he be after 2 years, if there’s no opt out? Valid question, and honestly he probably easily gets an offer > 2/20. I guess we'll see. I could see the Sox being interested if they really are intent on moving Giolito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I forgot Dylan Cease still sucks and Andrew Vaughn is dead. I forgot Dylan Cease and Andrew Vaughn didn’t play in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Balta1701 said: I forgot Dylan Cease and Andrew Vaughn didn’t play in 2021. Like I said, it's a 70 win team. We know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sarava said: Valid question, and honestly he probably easily gets an offer > 2/20. I guess we'll see. I could see the Sox being interested if they really are intent on moving Giolito. I could definitely see him taking 2/20 with an opt out after 1 but the White Sox insisted they don’t do opt outs last time it came up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think that Rick Hahn will be front office member to blame if this off-season goes as poorly as expected What about all the previous s%*# off-seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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