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2 minutes ago, bmags said:

Yep. Being held hostage as fans. 

You're right and that's the worst thing an owner can do to his loyal diehard fans like the Sox fans are.

As I've said in other posts, the fans need to back up their frustrations of this team and send Jerry a loud message and not go to anymore games this season nor buy their season tickets or single games or packages until major change is done. 

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9 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

This joke team probably does hurt Dylan's chances. I think most of us agree with you that Verlander wins the Cy Young.

Again, read the title of the post please! - "This group of players has quit and is not playing hard anymore." Discuss!

No offense, but your comments have nothing to do with this post! 

Everyone in the world can see it.  Other than Andrus Cease and Harrison, Abreu.

It was patently obvious after losing the first game against CLE.  We have witnessed enough false poditives this year to intuitiveoy know the difference.

The difference is that the Tigers and Royals and soon Twins are going to drop the guillotine.

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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Discuss.

This is obviously a great question! Regardless of how many and which ones, it will be complete Insanity if Rick Hahn and TLR and coaching staff are not held accountable and FIRED!

Yeah that's right...and we all know the definition of Insanity....lets roll out 2023 with the same FO, manager, coaching staff and players, give or take a few minor roster changes and it will get all better and different results next season and back to winning a division and making the playoffs! 🙄

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There’s always a difference between what you’ve heard and what’s firm enough to report. But I consulted with Ken on that piece. We’ve both heard about the hitting coaches not seeing eye to eye with TLR on plate approach. The don’t run hard edict was TLR going out on his own and didn’t sit well with others. The 1-2 intentional walks aren’t agreed with by anyone in the org, especially not the pitching coach who thinks count leverage is about the most important things in baseball. Leury basically disappeared out of the lineup once TLR stepped away. The starting catcher has been grousing about playing time all year

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This season has been for me an exercise in exhaustion and frustration. Many common cliches and platitudes can be applied accurately to this team's roster. This is a pennant winning team on paper only but, of course, games are not won or lost on paper but on the playing field. Most of the players who have underperformed have been operating on cruise control since the All Star break of 2021. The mantra has been "stay rested, don't over do it, be ready for the post season, with each and every player being in tip top shape." for a long run in the post season. That is not, however, the way of life. I have no personal knowledge or insight as to how the players interact either in the clubhouse or away from the ball parks. Are there snobby, exclusive cliques? Do the players enjoy meals together, as a group? Do players isolate in a hotel room, alone, or gather together to talk baseball or play cards while on a road trip? Do they have breakfast together on the road? Make excursions to community attractions in the late mornings awaiting travel to the stadium for a night game? 

The roster needs a significant redo. Keep Vaughn and play him in left field, every game throughout 2023. Retain Sheets and have him play right field every game next season. Also, expect (demand) that both spend every day of the offseason learning the fine points and skills of playing the outfield. Give Robert another year in centerfield but expect and demand that he display more hustle and more energy, less casualness and ho=hum mannerisms in the outfield. Also, he needs to devote himself to improving his play going back and against the fence or wall. Cut Moncada andn Grandal, or make trades for promising singleA players with potential. Eat the salaries and recognize the signings of Moncada and Grandal were huge mistakes. Play Burger at third base and demand that he spend the offseason taking 500 ground balls daily at third base on a playing field somewhere with a paid veteran infield mentor drilling with him. Trade Anderson and sign Andrus to play shorstop until Montgomery is ready for the majors in 2024. Place Mendick or Gonzalez in second base. Resign Abreu and let him play regularly at first base. Eloy remains to be only a dedicated designated hitter and he needs to study the biographies of Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz to understand the potential greatness that could be his as a full time designated hitter.  Cut ties with Pollock and eat the salary wasted on him. Cut Engel. Give Haisley a full year on the roster as the fill in outfielder with his left hand bat. Zavala stays and sign a back up catcher. 

Keep Cease, Lynn, and Cueto. Give Giolito five starts next spring to demonstrate that he regained his veolcity or DFA him out of spring training. Cut Kopech or trade for the backup catcher behind Zavala. Move Lopez to the starting rotation. Add Martin as the fifth starter in the rotation. Leave the bullpen as is and pray for improvement from the entire group. Of course, the manager and coaching staff must be replaced. 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, coldwatersox said:

This season has been for me an exercise in exhaustion and frustration. Many common cliches and platitudes can be applied accurately to this team's roster. This is a pennant winning team on paper only but, of course, games are not won or lost on paper but on the playing field. Most of the players who have underperformed have been operating on cruise control since the All Star break of 2021. The mantra has been "stay rested, don't over do it, be ready for the post season, with each and every player being in tip top shape." for a long run in the post season. That is not, however, the way of life. I have no personal knowledge or insight as to how the players interact either in the clubhouse or away from the ball parks. Are there snobby, exclusive cliques? Do the players enjoy meals together, as a group? Do players isolate in a hotel room, alone, or gather together to talk baseball or play cards while on a road trip? Do they have breakfast together on the road? Make excursions to community attractions in the late mornings awaiting travel to the stadium for a night game? 

The roster needs a significant redo. Keep Vaughn and play him in left field, every game throughout 2023. Retain Sheets and have him play right field every game next season. Also, expect (demand) that both spend every day of the offseason learning the fine points and skills of playing the outfield. Give Robert another year in centerfield but expect and demand that he display more hustle and more energy, less casualness and ho=hum mannerisms in the outfield. Also, he needs to devote himself to improving his play going back and against the fence or wall. Cut Moncada andn Grandal, or make trades for promising singleA players with potential. Eat the salaries and recognize the signings of Moncada and Grandal were huge mistakes. Play Burger at third base and demand that he spend the offseason taking 500 ground balls daily at third base on a playing field somewhere with a paid veteran infield mentor drilling with him. Trade Anderson and sign Andrus to play shorstop until Montgomery is ready for the majors in 2024. Place Mendick or Gonzalez in second base. Resign Abreu and let him play regularly at first base. Eloy remains to be only a dedicated designated hitter and he needs to study the biographies of Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz to understand the potential greatness that could be his as a full time designated hitter.  Cut ties with Pollock and eat the salary wasted on him. Cut Engel. Give Haisley a full year on the roster as the fill in outfielder with his left hand bat. Zavala stays and sign a back up catcher. 

Keep Cease, Lynn, and Cueto. Give Giolito five starts next spring to demonstrate that he regained his veolcity or DFA him out of spring training. Cut Kopech or trade for the backup catcher behind Zavala. Move Lopez to the starting rotation. Add Martin as the fifth starter in the rotation. Leave the bullpen as is and pray for improvement from the entire group. Of course, the manager and coaching staff must be replaced. 

 

 

 

I didn’t get too much past Sheets and Vaughn playing any outfield next year- or ever again. But I appreciate your enthusiasm.

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1 hour ago, Highland said:

I have been a Sox fan for many years and have had many disappointments. 2022 is the absolute worst. This organization is brainless. Cease should have at least 4 more wins. This team is an utter disgrace. 0-6 homestand with playoffs on the line. Choke.  2023 doesn't look any better. Aah, there's nothing like a rebuild.

Lots to look forward to.  A new FO with a new manager and coaches.  Lots of players to use in off season deals.  Remember..."a new broom :sweep:clean."

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5 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Agreed.  The problem is they will use this as proof it wasn't Tony's fault and will bring him back.

They won’t care about this. They were going to bring him back regardless- because the owner has decided so.

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5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

They won’t care about this. They were going to bring him back regardless- because the owner has decided so.

When is the first 2023 Season Ticket Deposit Due?

I can see waiting until after this date before the Sox announce Jerry is bringing the band back for another season.

IIRC, they waited until after this date to announce Jerry hired Tony.

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:
 

 

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There’s always a difference between what you’ve heard and what’s firm enough to report. But I consulted with Ken on that piece. We’ve both heard about the hitting coaches not seeing eye to eye with TLR on plate approach. The don’t run hard edict was TLR going out on his own and didn’t sit well with others. The 1-2 intentional walks aren’t agreed with by anyone in the org, especially not the pitching coach who thinks count leverage is about the most important things in baseball. Leury basically disappeared out of the lineup once TLR stepped away. The starting catcher has been grousing about playing time all year

Is this from an Athletic article?

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Man the entire Reinsdorf family should be embarrassed. The entire front office shouldn’t be able to sleep at night. I’m embarrassed as a fan. What a joke. Sell the fucking team if your number 1 priority isn’t winning. Cash the f*** out and let somebody take over who wants to win. I refuse to spend another dime on this team until they make some serious changes. 

 

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1 hour ago, coldwatersox said:

This season has been for me an exercise in exhaustion and frustration. Many common cliches and platitudes can be applied accurately to this team's roster. This is a pennant winning team on paper only but, of course, games are not won or lost on paper but on the playing field. Most of the players who have underperformed have been operating on cruise control since the All Star break of 2021. The mantra has been "stay rested, don't over do it, be ready for the post season, with each and every player being in tip top shape." for a long run in the post season. That is not, however, the way of life. I have no personal knowledge or insight as to how the players interact either in the clubhouse or away from the ball parks. Are there snobby, exclusive cliques? Do the players enjoy meals together, as a group? Do players isolate in a hotel room, alone, or gather together to talk baseball or play cards while on a road trip? Do they have breakfast together on the road? Make excursions to community attractions in the late mornings awaiting travel to the stadium for a night game? 

The roster needs a significant redo. Keep Vaughn and play him in left field, every game throughout 2023. Retain Sheets and have him play right field every game next season. Also, expect (demand) that both spend every day of the offseason learning the fine points and skills of playing the outfield. Give Robert another year in centerfield but expect and demand that he display more hustle and more energy, less casualness and ho=hum mannerisms in the outfield. Also, he needs to devote himself to improving his play going back and against the fence or wall. Cut Moncada andn Grandal, or make trades for promising singleA players with potential. Eat the salaries and recognize the signings of Moncada and Grandal were huge mistakes. Play Burger at third base and demand that he spend the offseason taking 500 ground balls daily at third base on a playing field somewhere with a paid veteran infield mentor drilling with him. Trade Anderson and sign Andrus to play shorstop until Montgomery is ready for the majors in 2024. Place Mendick or Gonzalez in second base. Resign Abreu and let him play regularly at first base. Eloy remains to be only a dedicated designated hitter and he needs to study the biographies of Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz to understand the potential greatness that could be his as a full time designated hitter.  Cut ties with Pollock and eat the salary wasted on him. Cut Engel. Give Haisley a full year on the roster as the fill in outfielder with his left hand bat. Zavala stays and sign a back up catcher. 

Keep Cease, Lynn, and Cueto. Give Giolito five starts next spring to demonstrate that he regained his veolcity or DFA him out of spring training. Cut Kopech or trade for the backup catcher behind Zavala. Move Lopez to the starting rotation. Add Martin as the fifth starter in the rotation. Leave the bullpen as is and pray for improvement from the entire group. Of course, the manager and coaching staff must be replaced. 

 

 

 

Grain or two of truth among the chaff, there. The OF and bullpen solutions leave me shuddering, though.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Everyone in the world can see it.  Other than Andrus Cease and Harrison, Abreu.

It was patently obvious after losing the first game against CLE.  We have witnessed enough false poditives this year to intuitiveoy know the difference.

The difference is that the Tigers and Royals and soon Twins are going to drop the guillotine.

Good job of identifying position player hustlers.  Comes to about 20% of them, doesn't it?

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3 hours ago, chw42 said:

I don't see the team winning another game this season if they couldn't win today with Cease starting. 

The twins are really bad right now. Losing 6 in a row to them would be something. 

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