Chisoxfn Posted December 4, 2022 Author Share Posted December 4, 2022 15 hours ago, ron883 said: Has anybody else lost faith in AKME already? The parallels to Ryan Pace are uncanny. So far I have no faith. Williams has been a nobody. Derozan was a good pick up but Vooch and Ball signings not good. Easy for me to say on Ball cause I was his fanboy but his is due to injury. Even Derozan - he has been really good but is a bad fit with the club and you can just see what happens late in 4th quarters. He goes all black hole and the ball never leaves his hands. They should trade Derozan and Vuc. I would trade Lavine too and just get assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Dear Lord. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 That was a fun game - tough way to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/4/2022 at 5:36 PM, Chisoxfn said: So far I have no faith. Williams has been a nobody. Derozan was a good pick up but Vooch and Ball signings not good. Easy for me to say on Ball cause I was his fanboy but his is due to injury. Even Derozan - he has been really good but is a bad fit with the club and you can just see what happens late in 4th quarters. He goes all black hole and the ball never leaves his hands. They should trade Derozan and Vuc. I would trade Lavine too and just get assets. I have a suspicion that the iso at crunch time is what Coach D is calling for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Idk if I'm late to the party, but I do not like this telecast. This is not a thing is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 12 hours ago, scs787 said: Idk if I'm late to the party, but I do not like this telecast. This is not a thing is it? Have to keep in mind Adam Amin is in and out because of his NFL commitments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) On 12/4/2022 at 2:11 AM, ron883 said: Has anybody else lost faith in AKME already? The parallels to Ryan Pace are uncanny. Yep. That being said, Pace was really young when he got hired as the Bears GM and I think he's going to be decent to good if he gets another job. Given that he picked Fields, I thin he will. Pace's last 2 drafts with the Bears before he got fired were pretty good. Edited December 15, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 The Nets got fined for sitting 8 of their best players the other night. They won. Shouldn't the Pacers be fined for losing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 The Bulls have to blow this all up soon right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 At the very least - DDR and Vuc have to go. I would do those two in seperate trades (get firsts or young players) and than trade Lavine for Westbrook and picks. I would also likely deal Caruso but don’t care either way. Play White and Williams a s%*# ton and hope one or both somehow shock us. Ayo too. Hope lottery balls go in our favor for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: The Bulls have to blow this all up soon right? Yeah I've been thinking their schedule has been rough. Their SRS was actually decent before these last 3 games. You can't lose 2 in a row at home to the Knicks...there's no hope for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, chw42 said: Yeah I've been thinking their schedule has been rough. Their SRS was actually decent before these last 3 games. You can't lose 2 in a row at home to the Knicks...there's no hope for this team. The matchups actually favor the Knicks a lot. No surprise seeing them push the Bulls around tonight or two days ago. Unwatchable. This goes back to their tailspin toward the end of last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Astonished at all of this. But pretty much proved that I’d you group three of the third guys on a good team, you are just going to end up with a bad team and it doesn’t elevate them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, bmags said: Astonished at all of this. But pretty much proved that I’d you group three of the third guys on a good team, you are just going to end up with a bad team and it doesn’t elevate them. All the analysts who trashed the Bulls' off-season last year turned out to be right. They were just very wrong for the first few months. Maybe Lonzo was the glue that made it work, but I seriously doubt that he can fix this team. If he can even play basketball again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, chw42 said: All the analysts who trashed the Bulls' off-season last year turned out to be right. They were just very wrong for the first few months. Maybe Lonzo was the glue that made it work, but I seriously doubt that he can fix this team. If he can even play basketball again... Lonzo hasn’t played for almost an entire year, they can’t be banking on him returning them to what they were those few months - if or whenever he does return. We’ve seen enough of this team to know it doesn’t fit together. Donovan’s comments about competing on the floor seem telling. They need to blow it up, but I fear what their objective would be regarding potential return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I mean it really did seem like a different team with lonzo. Especially in transition. But he’s not coming back so gotta just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, bmags said: I mean it really did seem like a different team with lonzo. Especially in transition. But he’s not coming back so gotta just move on. Exactly - Lonzo probably isn’t coming back and if he is it isn’t the Lonzo of old. How Lonzo made everything that much better I don’t know but I do know they need to blow this up and hope the lottery balls work there way and start over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Objectively, what can they do? AK doesn’t want to be drafting high in the lottery, which watching Patrick Williams, might not be a bad thing. Vuc is a big expiring contract, but who would want it? You might get something of value for DeRozen but where do you go from there? They lack picks and young high upside talent. Zach isn’t looking like a franchise cornerstone that you can build around either. It feels like a bigger mess in a worse position than the team AK took over, and we are stuck hoping attempt #2 fares differently with fewer assets to work with? Oof. Bad, expensive, and lacking picks is a horrible place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Man, I sure appreciate Lonzo Ball as a player more than I did before they signed him. But forreal they have to blow up this roster and build around Lonzo/Ayo/Terry/Pat (for better or worse). Get what you can for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 hours ago, chw42 said: All the analysts who trashed the Bulls' off-season last year turned out to be right. They were just very wrong for the first few months. Maybe Lonzo was the glue that made it work, but I seriously doubt that he can fix this team. If he can even play basketball again... DeRozan was playing like an MVP and made it all look like it was working. When he returned to mortal it started to look like it does now. And Lonzo, but primarily DDR. Without assets, it's going to be a tough rebuild. They need to get bigger and tougher inside; maybe tweak the roster some to accomplish that with someone else's bozos off their bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 With AD going down on the Lakers (but showing he's been back to MVP type form) - I feel like now is a good time to move one of DDR / Lavine to the Lakers. Get Westbrook and picks back and start the refresh. If there is someone young on the Lakers they want - fine by me. But lets start making changes. Than just play the young guys and maybe even look for some buy low candidates (ala how others got benefited on Bulls selling low on Lauri/Carter Jr). Not sure if there are any - but this needs to be a get as many assets and future picks as you can. I'm not saying build through the draft - but I am saying hit a hard reset and start over. Than you have those picks to use via draft or to acquire or whatever. And hope and pray that with all that extra opportunity Williams, Ayo, White - one if not two actually show some signs of being productive NBA players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Has any team that has acquired Westbrook as an asset come out on the other side as a better team for it. Asking for a friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Has any team that has acquired Westbrook as an asset come out on the other side as a better team for it. Asking for a friend I'd go to just about any other team than the asset starved Lakers first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: Has any team that has acquired Westbrook as an asset come out on the other side as a better team for it. Asking for a friend Hey, wizards got to shed John Wall for Russ, then traded him for a nice haul of players to the lakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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