hi8is Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Free to a good home. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Let's play the game of Gavin Sheets or Eric Hosmer? .241/.295/.411/.706 .268/.334/.382/.716 This signing is the definition of low risk no reward. I’d take the guy with the above average obp of .334 every day of the week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: I’d take the guy with the above average obp of .334 every day of the week This is a case where OPS goes astray. The OBP is significantly better but the difference in slugging isn’t very significant. Yet the OPS is nearly the same. .334 OBP guy has way more value Edited January 5, 2023 by FourEyesShottenhoffer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxTrojan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: This is a case where OPS goes astray. The OBP is significantly better but the difference in slugging isn’t very significant. Yet the OPS is nearly the same. .334 OBP guy has way more value Are you trying to say that OBP is more important than SLG? Or are you saying that a .039 drop in OBP is not offset by a .029 increase in slugging? The former would be a limitation of OPS (which weighs OBP and SLG equally). The latter is just noting that 39>29. Regardless, I don't think either player has "way more value." That .029 difference in slugging resulted in the second player having nearly twice as many HRs (15 vs. 8), and a few more RBIs (53 vs. 44) in a similar number of at bats. That's probably not enough to offset the OBP difference, but it does make it close - which is exactly what's implied by OPS. Edited January 5, 2023 by ChiSoxTrojan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChiSoxTrojan said: Are you trying to say that OBP is more important than SLG? Or are you saying that a .039 drop in OBP is not offset by a .029 increase in slugging? The former would be a limitation of OPS (which weighs OBP and SLG equally). The latter is just noting that 39>29. Regardless, I don't think either player has "way more value." That .029 difference in slugging resulted in the second player having nearly twice as many HRs (15 vs. 8), and a few more RBIs (53 vs. 44) in a similar number of at bats. That's probably not enough to offset the OBP difference, but it does make it close - which is exactly what's implied by OPS. RBIs have no part of OPS. HR does in a secondary way of SLG and OBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxTrojan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: RBIs have no part of OPS. HR does in a secondary way of SLG and OBP. I am aware that RBIs do not directly go into OPS, but they are correlated. And ultimately what matters is run production, which RBIs are part of. Higher OBP tends to result in more runs scored. Higher SLG tends to result in more runs batted in. Both are important contributions to total offensive production, which is why they both factor into OPS equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 56 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: This is a case where OPS goes astray. The OBP is significantly better but the difference in slugging isn’t very significant. Yet the OPS is nearly the same. .334 OBP guy has way more value There's more to take into account than just those stats. You got an old guy past his prime and a guy about to be 27. Gavin was a .906 OPS, .346 OBP 155 wRC+ at home. Couldn't hit for s%*# on the road .508 OPS, .243 OBP and 43 wRC+. I don't think he's a .900 OPS guy but he's also not a 500 OPS guy . I suppose if you split the difference he's a .700 OPS guy ? But if he can ever replicate that home OPS on the road he'd be a pretty damn good hitter. So Gavin does have upside if he can find a place to get PT .He's not a FA til 2028 but the Cubs would have had to trade for him and pay an equal salary to Hosmer. As a GM I'd probably go with Sheets just to find out if he can become a 30 HR guy and since they do have a huge opening at 1st base. Cubs just went with the cheapest guy possible I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/yankees-eye-pirates-bryan-reynolds-amid-unrealistic-asks/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/yankees-eye-pirates-bryan-reynolds-amid-unrealistic-asks/ Between Rengifo, Urshela, and Fletcher, they don't have one? Edited January 6, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I bet some team will take a flyer on Bauer. Where do you think he ranks with Deshaun Watson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCalChiSox Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Does this mean the trade market is finally going? If so, go get a LH savage 2B, RH. Do something already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Boy that’s not a lot at all. I don’t think Soto is great or a closer on a legit WS contender, but figured he’d bring back 1 legit prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: Does this mean the trade market is finally going? If so, go get a LH savage 2B, RH. Do something already Is there such a thing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 1:20 PM, southsider2k5 said: Free to a good home. 🤮🤮🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I like this quite a bit for Detroit. Three big league contributors. Sands was good in upper minors. Vierling a solid platoon option with Meadows. Maton is the headliner though. Dombrowski should’ve kept his bench in tact and signed Matt Moore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I like this quite a bit for Detroit. Three big league contributors. Sands was good in upper minors. Vierling a solid platoon option with Meadows. Maton is the headliner though. Dombrowski should’ve kept his bench in tact and signed Matt Moore Does Maton slide into 2B making Schoop more available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Is there such a thing ? Brandon Lowe if his medicals aren't a disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, maxjusttyped said: Brandon Lowe if his medicals aren't a disaster I don't think you get Brandon Lowe without including Colson Montgomery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Is there such a thing ? Savage LH 2Bs are uncommon its true...Chisholm, Lowe, but maybe a close to MLB ready prospect like Busch or Mauricio if scouts are ok with their glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think you get Brandon Lowe without including Colson Montgomery Ugh...forget it then. A young LH savage who can play SS is worth his weight in gold. He cannot be moved. Neither can Colas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think you get Brandon Lowe without including Colson Montgomery People have been way low (hardy har har) on what it would take to acquire Lowe, I agree with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Ugh...forget it then. A young LH savage who can play SS is worth his weight in gold. He cannot be moved. Neither can Colas. It'd take more than 1 back half top 100 prospect to land Lowe. Realistically, the Sox aren't going to win the bidding if he's available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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