Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 5 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: It may have already been mentioned, but Robert Murray said something about the Clevinger deal not being a straight 1yr/$12M deal. That there is a 2nd year option and with the buyout it will reach $12M. Mentioned something about creatively shifting the money around. So maybe since the first report we heard was "more than $8M" it could end up being something like 1 yr/$8.5M with a 2nd year option for "xxx" amount or a $4M buyout. We might end up with a few extra million for 2023 to work up to Jerry's self-imposed budget. Where did he mention this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 12/1/2022 at 12:47 PM, Chisoxfn said: $10M for a guy with a 4.90 ERA over 145 starts. Man this is like giving Vince Velasquez 10M per year. I get it - he has 130 innings split over 2 years that have been way better than the rest of his career - but its still just a handful of starts in each of those seasons, so SSS. I never understood Velasquez and this feels that way when you put the $10M on it. Giolito 4.33 over 147 starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Where did he mention this? On the Fansided podcast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 2:36 PM, hi8is said: Probably with a club option at 12 and a 2 buyout 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, hi8is said: 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If Clevinger were super good, he’d have a 2nd year option at like $19.5 million that he’d potentially take. It would make sense for both sides to use that as a way to get a slightly higher guarantee this year and a slightly lower second year number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 5 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: On the Fansided podcast So I listened to this and Murray said it would include a mutual option, which is basically is just an easy way to defer some money to the following season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 What is taking so long for this to be official? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 57 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: What is taking so long for this to be official? Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: What is taking so long for this to be official? Grilled onions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EloyJenkins Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: So this deal is outstanding again. Bravo honestly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: $8 million for 2023 is a very nice deal. Worry about the $4 million (or more) in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Although there’s a good chance that he breaks down, that looks like a more favorable deal for the Sox than straight up 1/12. Maybe they can acquire another SP to hedge the bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Assuming the buyout is paid in 2024, I like this a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. Same question I had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. I believe they pay it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. No. Option has to be exercised by both parties. It's either a 1/12 or 2/20 deal. It's just deferring $4M until next year. Edited December 4, 2022 by Jack Parkman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On Spotrac it shows the mutual option as already vested. It's a guaranteed $4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. Mutual options are never exercised by both.. Basically it's a 1 year 12 million with 4 million of it deferred to after next season. The Sox will be on the hook for the additional 4 million even if they exercised it. Edited December 4, 2022 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Based on some of the deals given out since this was first announced I'm coming around to liking this deal more and more. After watching some of this 2022 highlights its good price for a #5 and I look forward to rooting for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Assuming the buyout is paid in 2024, I like this a lot better. They can at least use it as a means to convince Jerry to spend more haha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal. That is not usually how mutual options work. Would be fantastic if Hahn was able to convince Clevengers representation To do that though. Edited December 4, 2022 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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