Texsox Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 It seems like teams have traditions, good and bad, at certain positions. The Packers have had great QBs, the Bears not so much. I'm thinking for the Sox it's first base. I'm hoping AV can be a worthy heir to the throne. Jose certainly added to the greatness during his tenor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Texsox said: It seems like teams have traditions, good and bad, at certain positions. The Packers have had great QBs, the Bears not so much. I'm thinking for the Sox it's first base. I'm hoping AV can be a worthy heir to the throne. Jose certainly added to the greatness during his tenor. Shortstop has been pretty good, off the top of my head since 1952 we’ve had Carassquel, Aparicio twice, Hansen, Dent, Guillen, Valentine, Uribe, Ramirez and Anderson. Might have left off a few, we had some years that were pretty bad at short also. Edited November 28, 2022 by The Mighty Mite 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Shortstop, Center Field and starting Pitching which has been a hallmark of this franchise since the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Shortstop, Center Field and starting Pitching which has been a hallmark of this franchise since the beginning. Hard for 1B not to be very high on that list. My Sox history isn’t as long as yours, but I am 32 and the Sox have had a legit 1B my entire life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Texsox said: It seems like teams have traditions, good and bad, at certain positions. The Packers have had great QBs, the Bears not so much. I'm thinking for the Sox it's first base. I'm hoping AV can be a worthy heir to the throne. Jose certainly added to the greatness during his tenor. 1B has certainly been the most stable position since I've been around, I was born the night the O's spanked us 11-1 in the '83 ALCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 There have been 5,142 regular season Sox games since 8/2/90. Frank Thomas, Paul Konerko or Jose Abreu played 1B in a 3,915 of them (76%). 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 First base for sure. Not even a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 52 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said: 1B has certainly been the most stable position since I've been around, I was born the night the O's spanked us 11-1 in the '83 ALCS. I am 89 days younger than you, and I agree that 1B has to be the pick here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: I am 89 days younger than you, and I agree that 1B has to be the pick here. If you are looking at the entire 100+ year history of the franchise it is starting pitching, shortstop and center field in whatever order you choose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogosox1959 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Every top 100 kind of list I've ever seen is reflective of the age of the respondents. For the last 30 years, it's 1st base. If you want to really consider legacy positions, I agree with Mighty Mite's list which begins with Chico Carasquell in 1952. That list doesn't even include one of the one of the all time greats: Luke Appling who was at short, (and then some third) for 20 years starting in 1931 So it's the better part of 90 years vs. the last 30 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: If you are looking at the entire 100+ year history of the franchise it is starting pitching, shortstop and center field in whatever order you choose. I won’t disagree with you there. I’m strictly talking about my history as a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, gogosox1959 said: Every top 100 kind of list I've ever seen is reflective of the age of the respondents. For the last 30 years, it's 1st base. If you want to really consider legacy positions, I agree with Mighty Mite's list which begins with Chico Carasquell in 1952. That list doesn't even include one of the one of the all time greats: Luke Appling who was at short, (and then some third) for 20 years starting in 1931 So it's the better part of 90 years vs. the last 30 years And even if he was a Black Sox, Buck Weaver. Historically it goes to shortstop. But Frank Thomas - Paul Konerko - Jose Abreu starting at first base from 1991 to 2022 is the absolute historical peak of any position (technically, Greg Norton started 1998 at 1B and Thomas at DH, but whatever). If Vaughn lives up to his potential, then first base begins to have an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 14 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: If you are looking at the entire 100+ year history of the franchise it is starting pitching, shortstop and center field in whatever order you choose. Yeah, when you said that I was a little shocked to see CF on the list, went back and checked the Baseball Reference history, realized I don't know a whole lot about the 60's-70's White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said: Yeah, when you said that I was a little shocked to see CF on the list, went back and checked the Baseball Reference history, realized I don't know a whole lot about the 60's-70's White Sox. The Sox have had excellent center fielders going back to the days of "Happy" Felsch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1st most likely. From my time. Spencer, Squiers, Walker, Frank, Konerko, Abreu and before Spencer Richie Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Saving money and having a seat at the table probably! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 White Sox proudest position? Their fans bent over in front of them? 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Second place. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Grinder Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Recently its been 1st base, we seem to breed them like the Packers breed QB;s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 12:25 AM, gogosox1959 said: Every top 100 kind of list I've ever seen is reflective of the age of the respondents. For the last 30 years, it's 1st base. If you want to really consider legacy positions, I agree with Mighty Mite's list which begins with Chico Carasquell in 1952. That list doesn't even include one of the one of the all time greats: Luke Appling who was at short, (and then some third) for 20 years starting in 1931 So it's the better part of 90 years vs. the last 30 years I'm old and wanted to put Appling on my SS list but I never saw Luke play and I'm not THAT old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, JoshPR said: 1st most likely. From my time. Spencer, Squiers, Walker, Frank, Konerko, Abreu and before Spencer Richie Allen I always thought that Walker was going to be maybe a superstar especially with that sweet swing of his but it was not to be and then he had a seizure in 1988 just about ending his career. Edited November 30, 2022 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: I always thought that Walker was going to be maybe a superstar especially with that sweet swing of his but it was not to be and then he had a seizure in 1988 just about ending his career. He wasn't bad with the Sox though: December 4, 1979 - The Sox claimed first baseman Greg Walker from the Phillies in the Major League draft. Walker would make the big club for good in 1983 and have three seasons with at least 24 home runs and two years with at least 90 RBI’s. He’d then eventually become the Sox hitting coach after retiring. I happened to be in Chicago on the day he had his seizure, remember listening to Chet Coppock's radio show where he had doctors on explaining what they thought happened to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) Starting Pitching, followed by defensive shortstops. Pitchers park and low scoring games for nine decades at Comiskey Park called for these strengths. Beuhrle and Sale have continued this tradition being two of their top four players over the past 30 years at the hitter’s park (Thomas and Ventura the hitters). Top Ten White Sox Career bWAR SS Luke Appling 77.6 1B Frank Thomas 68.3 SP Red Faber 67.7 2B Eddie Collins 67.0 SP Ted Lyons 66.8 SP Ed Walsh 63.9 SP Wilbur Wood 51.8 SP Eddie Cicotte 50.0 SP Billy Pierce 49.3 SP Mark Buehrle 48.9 Guillen, Aparicio and Carrasquel were solid defensive shortstops in addition to Luke Appling. These four covered 49 seasons of White Sox baseball. Edited December 1, 2022 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 18 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: He wasn't bad with the Sox though: December 4, 1979 - The Sox claimed first baseman Greg Walker from the Phillies in the Major League draft. Walker would make the big club for good in 1983 and have three seasons with at least 24 home runs and two years with at least 90 RBI’s. He’d then eventually become the Sox hitting coach after retiring. I happened to be in Chicago on the day he had his seizure, remember listening to Chet Coppock's radio show where he had doctors on explaining what they thought happened to him. Lip this was during batting practice correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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