Timmy U Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 McClure needed the change of scenery. Hopefully a good trade for both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Was hoping that McClure would reprise the Clu Haywood role and be the biggest Indian killer of them all. Once Cleveland switched to the Guardians, he was expendable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, heirdog said: For Kade McClure. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, heirdog said: For Kade McClure. 4 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: 🤔…Kade actually was pretty good last year for the Knights once he moved to the bullpen. And not having him on the 40 man roster as additional depth was a nice plus. That being said, Santos still has an option and a massively higher ceiling. Probably a risk worth making if you want a potentially more impactful arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 This must have been one of the exciting ideas Hahn was talking about when he was in San Diego. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I would think Katz has some influence on this trade. Pretty sure he worked with Santos extensively when he was younger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Per google, this guy has never had success anywhere. perfect Katz will fix 'em 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 JR "we're getting Santa!!" RH "no, it's San-tos" JR "I'm sad, how about some pudding? When will Tony visit me again?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said: 2007. I distinctly remember telling a friend that the Sox 2007 bullpen was built to win on-field brawls. Sisco, Ardsma, Macdougall…don’t remember who else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I would prefer not to remember "bad bullpens of White sox past" thank you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Sisco, Ardsma, Macdougall…don’t remember who else. I remember thicc Nick Masset and thiccc Ryan Buck or Buk... whatever his name was on that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) McClure's numbers out of the pen are a heck of a lot better than than Santos'. Just reading Santos' scouting report, fastball really hard but really flat. Been grabbing guys like this for years. Same song, different verse. Billy Koch throws harder than Keith Foulke. Maybe, finally, this guy will work out. Edited December 22, 2022 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Wasn't McClure a guy who was Rule 5 eligible? If so, and no one picked him, that should tell you what people think of him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I would prefer not to remember "bad bullpens of White sox past" thank you. Feels like a bad Dickens book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 McClure was exciting a few years ago when his velo increase took him from high 80s to low 90s, but that didn't really translate into anything interesting. He'll be 27 next year, and he's a low velo righty reliever that gives up a lot of home runs. He's extremely hittable. Giants may very well find some disguise for his weird delivery/height that gets more out of him, but it ain't happening here. They have, however, shown some ability to harness better powered arms. So good trade. No louisville pitchers ever again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, GreenSox said: McClure's numbers out of the pen are a heck of a lot better than than Santos'. Just reading Santos' scouting report, fastball really hard but really flat. Been grabbing guys like this for years. Same song, different verse. Billy Koch throws harder than Keith Foulke. Maybe, finally, this guy will work out. If one in ten of these guys turns into Jose Ruiz, you have won. It isn't like you will ever hit on a big number of these guys, which is quite literally the point of churning the bottom of the roster to take chances on these types of guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, GreenSox said: McClure's numbers out of the pen are a heck of a lot better than than Santos'. Just reading Santos' scouting report, fastball really hard but really flat. Been grabbing guys like this for years. Same song, different verse. Billy Koch throws harder than Keith Foulke. Maybe, finally, this guy will work out. who cares, mcclure sucks. Santos probably sucks, but he was also playing in PCL and had a better ERA in the majors than McClure did in AAA. He also doesn't give up 17 homers a year out of the bullpen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Feels like a bad Dickens book. Tis the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: If one in ten of these guys turns into Jose Ruiz, you have won. It isn't like you will ever hit on a big number of these guys, which is quite literally the point of churning the bottom of the roster to take chances on these types of guys. Jimmy Lambert was better than Ruiz. McClure probably would have been as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Between Kade and Hjelle, the Giants have more length than the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Jimmy Lambert was better than Ruiz. McClure probably would have been as well. Who cares if Jimmy Lambert was better. We turned Jose Ruiz into a useful bullpen piece after being a minor league waiver claim. THAT is the part that actually matters. McClure is a AAA roster spot that anyone in baseball could have had a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Who cares if Jimmy Lambert was better. We turned Jose Ruiz into a useful bullpen piece. THAT is the part that actually matters. McClure is a AAA roster spot that anyone in baseball could have had a few weeks ago. Ruiz is terrible. Anyway, my point really isn't that McClure or Santos are good or bad or whatever. My point is that it's the same bloody philosophy that they've been using for 20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Ruiz is terrible. Anyway, my point really isn't that McClure or Santos are good or bad or whatever. My point is that it's the same bloody philosophy that they've been using for 20 years. Jose Ruiz has been a useable middle reliever for pennies on the dollar of free agents. He's put up 3 seasons which average out to just above a league average ERA. Baseball is full of guys like Jose Ruiz on the back of most MLB rosters. If they have been creating mlb middle relievers out of thin air for 20 years, this franchise would be in a lot better shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 UUUUUGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Ruiz is terrible. Anyway, my point really isn't that McClure or Santos are good or bad or whatever. My point is that it's the same bloody philosophy that they've been using for 20 years. You complain about everything. You complain when the Sox don't make moves. You complain when the Sox do make moves. You complain when the Sox don't play kids. You complain when the Sox don't churn the back of the 40 man. You complain when the Sox do churn the back of the 40 man. The Sox got a live arm with an option (which is quite important for their roster) for a soon to be 27 year old soft tossing RHP every team in baseball could have had for $100k like 2 weeks ago. While its nothing to write home about, there is certainly no discernible reason to complain about this deal. Edited December 22, 2022 by ChiSox59 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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