Lip Man 1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/2023/2/14/23600339/jerry-reinsdorf-bulls-white-sox-owner-chairman-commitment-desire-winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 It's been a while since I read the Sun Times. Is Holmes a regular contributor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: It's been a while since I read the Sun Times. Is Holmes a regular contributor? He's a guest columnist, usually writes one or two pieces a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 What is there to wonder? Haven’t we seen enough evidence to know that profit comes before winning? The only thing really newsworthy here is that it made into print, digital or otherwise. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I'm glad there was a thread for this, I will post my thoughts here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: What is there to wonder? Haven’t we seen enough evidence to know that profit comes before winning? The only thing really newsworthy here is that it made into print, digital or otherwise. Pretty much. He hasn't had the desire forever. Probably the last time he was really engaged was like '08 or so imo. Since he replaced KW with Hahn the org as a whole has just been stuck in neutral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 If he cared about winning we'd have a top ten payroll. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 If he cared about winning we would've had a different GM years ago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I think he is now torn. If he spent money and stacked the roster this year, he runs the risk of not only eating into his profit, but making his buddy Tony look like an even bigger fool. I am sure JR still thinks he's right and everyone else is wrong, that Tony wins games managing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 I've spoken to a number of people over the years who know JR and the one constant I get is that he wants to win. But... He wants to win HIS WAY...under his rules, his restrictions financially, and putting loyalty above all else. Like many in the organization he feels he is smarter than everyone else...history shows that is not the case. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 The Sox aren't willing to take risks that /might/ guarantee them a playoff spot, but could also hamstring them financially Only a few ballclubs seem to be willing to do this (clubs like HOU, TB, STL, CLE have the minor league strength where they don't need to go all in on FAs to build perennial winners) (Not saying CLE is a perennial winner but they've been more successful in recent years than the Sox have and generally always rank higher in MiLB depth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I've spoken to a number of people over the years who know JR and the one constant I get is that he wants to win. But... He wants to win HIS WAY...under his rules, his restrictions financially, and putting loyalty above all else. Like many in the organization he feels he is smarter than everyone else...history shows that is not the case. My major issue with JR has been his unflinching dedication to loyalty above talent. I am not talking on the field. He has shown he will spend some money when needed, however its in the front office where he fails us. They have had numerous chances to hire and put together a modern office with top baseball talent. But no...this is where he WON'T spend the money. He will continue to let unqualified people run the show as long as they are loyal to him. And he will ask old friends to be managers, instead of finding the best field minds. He has no interest in letting "outsiders" run the White Sox. Thats why I don't like JR... And he called me short once, too. Asshole. Edited February 15, 2023 by RibbieRubarb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I've spoken to a number of people over the years who know JR and the one constant I get is that he wants to win. But... He wants to win HIS WAY...under his rules, his restrictions financially, and putting loyalty above all else. Like many in the organization he feels he is smarter than everyone else...history shows that is not the case. This sounds like someone saying they want to run a marathon but only if they reduce the mileage and change the rules to walking only. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 How did get to be a billionaire by NOT holding people accountable? I own a small biz w only a handful of employees and yes I do cut them some slack because I do like them but if they dont do their job they will either get fired or take some time off to think about things. Not the case with JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I've spoken to a number of people over the years who know JR and the one constant I get is that he wants to win. But... He wants to win HIS WAY...under his rules, his restrictions financially, and putting loyalty above all else. Like many in the organization he feels he is smarter than everyone else...history shows that is not the case. A long time ago, it was obvious that HIS WAY wasn't working. Instead, he gave us Robin Ventura, Tony LaRussa, and a tank job. Regardless, since 2008, this team has won next to nothing. If JR wants to win so badly, he isn't showing it. And the Bulls have done squat since Jordan and Pippen left. If this guy really wants to win, I have seen no evidence of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, joejoesox said: The Sox aren't willing to take risks that /might/ guarantee them a playoff spot, but could also hamstring them financially Only a few ballclubs seem to be willing to do this (clubs like HOU, TB, STL, CLE have the minor league strength where they don't need to go all in on FAs to build perennial winners) (Not saying CLE is a perennial winner but they've been more successful in recent years than the Sox have and generally always rank higher in MiLB depth) Cleveland has been better than the Sox, far better, for the last thirty years. They’ve had three World Series appearances. Lost in the ALCS twice. Lost in the ALDS six times. It’s fairly close to perennial. The Sox have 2000, 2005, 2008, 2021. Three of those were embarrassing exits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 News to me people still think Jerry gives two fucks about winning. Hint: he doesn't. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 hours ago, bmags said: This sounds like someone saying they want to run a marathon but only if they reduce the mileage and change the rules to walking only. I was hoping for more colorful analogies. I really want to take a dump but don't want to use my anus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I complain about Jerry a lot but it's mostly about the following 1. Pick a damn lane. Either you're a large market team or you're not. Structure the organization accordingly. 2. Being overly risk averse. Jerry has had top 10 payrolls, but he's not willing to spend to put the team over the top. So he's not necessarily cheap, but rather overly risk averse. 3. Loyal to a fault. Giving your FO a fair shot is one thing, but sometimes they've been given plenty of rope and hung themselves with it. It's ok to fire someone if they deserve it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Did this guy just figure this out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Tnetennba said: What is there to wonder? Haven’t we seen enough evidence to know that profit comes before winning? The only thing really newsworthy here is that it made into print, digital or otherwise. I certainly believe it’s important for the franchise to make money so it stays in business. Jerry is a businessman first and foremost. Spending big bucks on a free agent doesn’t guarantee a winning season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) JR owes everything to Michael Jordan. Without him, he would be known as one of the worst owners ever. Edited February 16, 2023 by Dick Allen 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, elrockinMT said: I certainly believe it’s important for the franchise to make money so it stays in business. Jerry is a businessman first and foremost. Spending big bucks on a free agent doesn’t guarantee a winning season. What are the odds they hit the Powerball again like 2004-2005 series of 8-10 perfect transactions all breaking their way...starting with the dumping of Loiaza, Maggs, C Lee and Valentin? Cotts, El Duque, Contreras, Jenks, Everett, Pods, Politte, AJ, Dye, Vizcaino, Hermanson, Iguchi, F.Garcia for a boatload of "can't miss" prospects...??? We can't even get one fucking deal right on the button at the moment...except by totally sheer accident, like Rodon, McCann, Andrus and Cueto. Edited February 16, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 7 hours ago, elrockinMT said: I certainly believe it’s important for the franchise to make money so it stays in business. Jerry is a businessman first and foremost. Spending big bucks on a free agent doesn’t guarantee a winning season. You need to send that over to Brooks Boyer and the season ticket sales agents/associates to work into their script. Twins and Guardians fans would empathize with their traditionally "cheap" ownership groups too, the Pohlads and Dolans. Total "job creator/disruptor" is JR, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I was hoping for more colorful analogies. I really want to take a dump but don't want to use my anus. Hi5? No poop analogies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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