Lip Man 1 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Actually has some candid comments to the Sun-Times. Some that give you hope: If the Sox aren’t who they thought they were — a team with the expectation of still winning the division, Williams said — “then changes have to be made, it’s as simple as that.” “It’s professional sports,” he said. “There’s no way around it and that’s whether it’s in the clubhouse or here with us in the front office.” Some that make you laugh out loud: “Accountability around here is not a problem.” https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/4/25/23697737/williams-on-white-sox-struggles-im-not-in-a-good-place-right-now?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=042523 Afternoon Edition&utm_content=042523 Afternoon Edition+CID_345f7f6a25d176d6d40140834ab3e2b4&utm_source=cst campaign monitor&utm_term=executive vice president Ken Williams says hes not in a good place right now&tpcc=042523 Afternoon Edition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spumoni Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Accountability has to exist before it can be a problem. 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 To me the more interesting quote was before the laughable accountability one: Quote “It’s really time to put our best foot forward here,” Williams said. And if they don’t? Williams said he wasn’t putting Hahn or anyone else in the front office on notice by saying changes would have to be made if the Sox don’t win. “No, that’s ultimately ownership call,” Williams said. “I’m talking about the realities of sports. When you do not accomplish the goal at hand, and you’ve been given the opportunities we’ve been fortunate to be given to try to rebuild this thing, to tear it down and rebuild it — and we were on the right track and right now the train is off the rails a little bit — it would be naïve of me to think if things don’t correct themselves that we wouldn’t be looked at as well. As it should be. So what exactly is KW's role? It was assumed by many he was basically just a scout + advisor but does he actually still have executive responsibilities? He's claiming it's JR, which is fine, but there's so many questions about what exactly his role is, how it impacts the org, and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) There has never been any accountability when it comes to you KW ever. You have a job for life, If the Sox don’t win another game all year, you will still be employed. This is the biggest crock of 💩statement from KW. Edited April 25, 2023 by Soxfest 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Quote When you do not accomplish the goal at hand, and you’ve been given the opportunities we’ve been fortunate to be given to try to rebuild this thing, to tear it down and rebuild it I guess "fortunate" is one way to describe it. Literally no professional GM/president in the history of ever have been given as many chances and failed attempts as Rick and Kenny have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 That dude should have been fired in 2013 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Vacheron said: That dude should have been fired in 2013 Finding Robert granted him another 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 - Kenny, right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Finding Robert granted him another 20 years. After he got stuck with Rios, he should have had to find 2 Mike Trouts to make up for that shitshow....although he did flip him for Leury later....make that 3 Mike Trouts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 I have a feeling Kenny’s “accountability” comment is going to go in White Sox lore like these other gems: “We’re going to make this a first-class organization.” – Eddie Einhorn 1/29/81 “Wherever you’re at, Harry (Caray) and Jimmy (Piersall), eat your hearts out. I hope people realize what scum you are.” – Jerry Reinsdorf 9/17/83 “Our goal is to have a team that is a contender every year.”– Jerry Reinsdorf 9/18/83 “We feel we owe this town a winner or a contender every year.” – Jerry Reinsdorf 10/2/85 “The fact is, Larry Himes cannot get along with anybody. You can hardly find anybody in the Sox organization that wasn’t happy when Larry Himes left.” – Jerry Reinsdorf September 1990. “I’m a dove until they strike” – Jerry Reinsdorf August 1994 “Anyone who thinks this Sox team can catch Cleveland is crazy.” – Jerry Reinsdorf 7/31/97 “You can’t spend a dollar if you only have fifty cents” – Kenny Williams “Talk to me after the parade” – Rick Hahn “There are fans out there who want the rebuild to fail so they can say, ‘I told you so’” – Rick Hahn White Sox fans don’t forget… 3 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 50 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: To me the more interesting quote was before the laughable accountability one: So what exactly is KW's role? It was assumed by many he was basically just a scout + advisor but does he actually still have executive responsibilities? He's claiming it's JR, which is fine, but there's so many questions about what exactly his role is, how it impacts the org, and so on. He's involved in all major decisions on and off the field just like JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 This sounds more like Hahn Speak than a true reckoning... going to require a LONG LONG losing streak for that to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 ESPN needs to host First Take outside of Comiskey Park this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Actually has some candid comments to the Sun-Times. Some that give you hope: If the Sox aren’t who they thought they were — a team with the expectation of still winning the division, Williams said — “then changes have to be made, it’s as simple as that.” “It’s professional sports,” he said. “There’s no way around it and that’s whether it’s in the clubhouse or here with us in the front office.” Some that make you laugh out loud: “Accountability around here is not a problem.” https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/4/25/23697737/williams-on-white-sox-struggles-im-not-in-a-good-place-right-now?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=042523 Afternoon Edition&utm_content=042523 Afternoon Edition+CID_345f7f6a25d176d6d40140834ab3e2b4&utm_source=cst campaign monitor&utm_term=executive vice president Ken Williams says hes not in a good place right now&tpcc=042523 Afternoon Edition I have to let the general manager do what makes the most sense, or I can't hold him accountable. Jerry Reinsdorf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: To me the more interesting quote was before the laughable accountability one: So what exactly is KW's role? It was assumed by many he was basically just a scout + advisor but does he actually still have executive responsibilities? He's claiming it's JR, which is fine, but there's so many questions about what exactly his role is, how it impacts the org, and so on. It would be interesting to know just how often Kenny comes to Chicago. He's been living in Arizona the past 3-4+ years. Perhaps he stays in town in spurts during the season. He is just trying to defuse pressure on the new manager and his players at this point. What else can he say or do beyond resign? He said he has no power to fire Hahn, it's JR's call, so there will be no accountability. John Paxson is still with the Bulls after decades of debacles. Kenny and Hahn are with the Sox as long as Jerry is alive and they want to stay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Loser org 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Sigh. Why do I stay a fan? I'm not in Chicago, I could have declared free agency as I entered Texas. There are the Astros and Rangers here. So easy to follow. I don't even have to check the current standings to know they are doing better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 41 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: It would be interesting to know just how often Kenny comes to Chicago. He's been living in Arizona the past 3-4+ years. Perhaps he stays in town in spurts during the season. He is just trying to defuse pressure on the new manager and his players at this point. What else can he say or do beyond resign? He said he has no power to fire Hahn, it's JR's call, so there will be no accountability. John Paxson is still with the Bulls after decades of debacles. Kenny and Hahn are with the Sox as long as Jerry is alive and they want to stay. You can smell them all the way down in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Finding Robert granted him another 20 years. How has that turned out so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, shago said: How has that turned out so far? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Texsox said: Sigh. Why do I stay a fan? I'm not in Chicago, I could have declared free agency as I entered Texas. There are the Astros and Rangers here. So easy to follow. I don't even have to check the current standings to know they are doing better. One of my sons lives outside of Tampa. I should apologize to him for bringing him up a White Sox fan. Edited April 25, 2023 by Saufley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Accountability isn't a problem because there is none to begin with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Actually has some candid comments to the Sun-Times. Some that give you hope: If the Sox aren’t who they thought they were — a team with the expectation of still winning the division, Williams said — “then changes have to be made, it’s as simple as that.” “It’s professional sports,” he said. “There’s no way around it and that’s whether it’s in the clubhouse or here with us in the front office.” Translation: We’re about to trade what few good prospects we have left for mediocre veterans to ‘save the season’. Make the Sox great again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Ken is OK. He should get rid of the riff-raff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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