chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Rock bottom is probably eliminated all but mathematically by June. So something like 15-30 record. At this rate, we'll hit that. We'll be one of the worst teams in MLB with a top 10 payroll and a bottom 1/3 farm. We'll have several guys that need to be moved before we don't extend them: things will get worse before they get better. Would that be enough to fire Hahn? Personally I don't think so. I think only after another 100 loss season next year would that happen. Sadly I think Hahn will try and sell JR on one more year and JR will listen. That means we won't blow it up but will continue to limp along pretending we can contend with this roster into 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Rock bottom is probably eliminated all but mathematically by June. So something like 15-30 record. At this rate, we'll hit that. We'll be one of the worst teams in MLB with a top 10 payroll and a bottom 1/3 farm. We'll have several guys that need to be moved before we don't extend them: things will get worse before they get better. Would that be enough to fire Hahn? Personally I don't think so. I think only after another 100 loss season next year would that happen. Sadly I think Hahn will try and sell JR on one more year and JR will listen. That means we won't blow it up but will continue to limp along pretending we can contend with this roster into 2024. No. When Kenny retires after 24 Hahn will be kicked upstairs (this is all assuming JR still owns the club) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideGeorgia Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I don’t know the answer however firing the Front Office needs to happen first and foremost. No way do I want Hahn and KW deciding how to tear down / trade and rebuild. So many damn reasons to fire him today. Geez… 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 Just now, SouthSideGeorgia said: I don’t know the answer however firing the Front Office needs to happen first and foremost. No way do I want Hahn and KW deciding how to tear down / trade and rebuild. So many damn reasons to fire him today. Geez… Def sunk cost fallacy at this point. The sooner we move on the sooner we can start heading in a different (hopefully better) direction. @Lip Man 1 I'm not sure if you have legit insight or if you're just an old (rightly) cynical follower but in this case I hope to hell you're wrong. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: No. When Kenny retires after 24 Hahn will be kicked upstairs (this is all assuming JR still owns the club) Beat me to it. This is exactly what will happen. And it’ll be Getz who will assume the GM role. Same ole same ole nothing will really change. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 <5K at the park all summer will have more impact than the record. They will blame us either way. They will always find a way to reach a new bottom. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: What is rock bottom for this FO? What what would need to happen for a shakeup at the top?. A live boy, or a dead girl 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 Just now, Tnetennba said: <5K at the park all summer will have more impact than the record. They will blame us either way. They will always find a way to reach a new bottom. I really think that's one that might prompt a change. I wouldn't, but there is an argument sagging Bulls attendance was what finally did in GarPax. If you believe that, and again, I can squint and believe it, fans not showing up might prompt a change. Public humiliation while draining his bank account might spur JR to do something. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Beat me to it. This is exactly what will happen. And it’ll be Getz who will assume the GM role. Same ole same ole nothing will really change. Nothing will really change until JR is gone, it's really that simple and factual. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I know there won’t be a lot of people, but what are the chances of a “Fire Rick Hahn” chant this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know there won’t be a lot of people, but what are the chances of a “Fire Rick Hahn” chant this season? "Fire Hahn" has a decent ring to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: <5K at the park all summer will have more impact than the record. They will blame us either way. They will always find a way to reach a new bottom. And you can't trade a dollar when you don't have a quarter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know there won’t be a lot of people, but what are the chances of a “Fire Rick Hahn” chant this season? I do think everything turned so toxic around GarPax and Nagy that it contributed to their departures. The question I have is are there enough Sox fans to make something like that happen here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 I'm almost long for the days when you have a guy like Mariotti that would just rip the s%*# out of the club on the Sun Times and it would mean a significant thing publicly. There's no strong voice that will reach JR now from the media. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'm almost long for the days when you have a guy like Mariotti that would just rip the s%*# out of the club on the Sun Times and it would mean a significant thing publicly. There's no strong voice that will reach JR now from the media. JR deserves to be hounded by a whole flock of hiney birds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know there won’t be a lot of people, but what are the chances of a “Fire Rick Hahn” chant this season? Hahn, He GONE! Hahn, BE GONE! Hahn, gas (or gas him up)!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, wegner said: JR deserves to be hounded by a whole flock of hiney birds. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HAHN? THAT JUST SHOWS YOU RIGHT THERE THAT IS A GM THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME OF BASEBALL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 53 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know there won’t be a lot of people, but what are the chances of a “Fire Rick Hahn” chant this season? There were fire Tony chants the Sox home opener cuz we didn’t know what else to chant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: I really think that's one that might prompt a change. I wouldn't, but there is an argument sagging Bulls attendance was what finally did in GarPax. If you believe that, and again, I can squint and believe it, fans not showing up might prompt a change. Public humiliation while draining his bank account might spur JR to do something. Fire GarPax signs at the AllStar game in Chicago might have contributed too, but I might have my timeframe wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) "Excising the pandemic-suppressed 2020 and '21 seasons, the 2022 A’s accounted for three of the 10 least-attended MLB games since the 1995 strike, and the 2023 A’s already logged a new entry in the “top 15” when 3,035 people showed up to watch a matchup with the Guardians on April 3. The next night, their 3,407-person crowd was topped by 11 Triple-A teams. That was before the relocation news dropped. Fans looking to make a point about Fisher’s poor stewardship of the club had been planning a “reverse boycott” in which they tried to fill the park — necessary since every A’s game looks like a regular boycott. Even if the A’s want to go the route of sticking around for a few more seasons, there’s some agency on the part of the city, which might not be feeling cooperative at this stage." JR would certainly never understand the humor behind a "mock sellout" to get back at him...that would never work. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/whats-next-for-the-oakland-as-as-they-plot-a-move-to-las-vegas-5-big-questions-that-will-shape-their-future-205504586.html Edited April 26, 2023 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 42 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'm almost long for the days when you have a guy like Mariotti that would just rip the s%*# out of the club on the Sun Times and it would mean a significant thing publicly. There's no strong voice that will reach JR now from the media. Nope, Tribune really couldn’t give a s%*# about the Sox, and the Sun Times is pretty toothless. JR doesn’t seem to care about any new/online media, and he has Bob to launder his org’s image on a national stage. They are pretty insulated. It will take the level of toxicity boiling over the way it did with the Bulls along with dismal attendance and sagging merch sales. Something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 There’s rock bottom. Then there’s the stuff stuck to the underside of those rocks. And then there’s whatever this organization is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I legitimately have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Nothing that I can see. While this is the bottom, there have been numerous cases of egregious incompetence, lawsuits over some gnarly stuff, et al that have resulted in no consequences to the perpetrators. Maybe KW will decide to retire. At that point JR announces that he will hire a new VP of Ops. When that new VP comes aboard, then he dispatch Hahn, Haber, Getz and the rest of the clowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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