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From the Sun-Times story today (Saturday):

"Jake Burger has never played in the Sox outfield, but Grifol said that’s something the team has talked about a “little bit.” One concern Grifol acknowledged is Burger’s injury history, including a ruptured achilles tendon he suffered in 2018."

Nothing surprises me anymore. 

 

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After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base.  A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. 

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5 minutes ago, coldwatersox said:

After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base.  A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. 

90-95% of the time the switch occurs from middle infield to corners. 

He doesn't have the range or lateral quickness and can't even imagine him on double play turns coming across bag and throwing back across his body. 

Bad bad bad idea. 

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11 minutes ago, coldwatersox said:

After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base.  A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. 

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26 minutes ago, YonderLaroche said:

Burger should play 1b daily.  For some reason this stupid team doesn't believe in him.  It can 5 years to develop a quality player and they had him in aaa to start the season.  He's on pace for 50 home runs batting above .250.  Not so common today 

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Vaughn cannot cover the outside part of the plate after his big leg kick. Even though Burger is not fast, he is faster than Vaughn on the bases, and that makes a difference. Burger can cover the entire plate and hits more HR than AV. IMO, Jake beat the pants off Vaughn for the full-time 1B job. Vaughn was touted as being a great outfielder last season, especially by Steve Stone. Now he can platoon in RF with Sheets. It would be foolish to risk injury to Burger by putting him in the outfield when Vaughn has already shown he can play out there and avoid injury.

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Burger should DH.

Eloy should play LF.

move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. 

I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. 

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46 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Burger should DH.

Eloy should play LF.

move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. 

I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. 

Benintendi has a slightly better arm than Pods and Pierre. 

We tried this last year with Pollock and learned he's actually better in CF than right. 

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10 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Burger should DH.

Eloy should play LF.

move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. 

I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. 

This makes sense. And if Eloy gets hurt colliding with the left field fence, so what. If not that, he'll; probably just run over by a bus anyway.

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7 hours ago, elrockinMT said:

Eloy Jimenez returns and plays RF. Burger is the DH. Sheets can sub in RF and LF, at IB and DH. 

This is most logical. Eloy needs to play only one OF position to avoid adding injury risk and to minimize the communication bullshit with Robert  (Robert is responsible at times by being a Dick / cutting off balls in straight away RF). The problem with Sheets in LF is Sheets/Benintendi are both LHB. Sheets should never start vs. LHP. Ever.

RF LH Power was the logical place for FA dollars, of course Hahn went LF Podsednik power, though without the speed (46 SB every 162 Games) and at this stage 25 points below Podsednik’s career OPS (.719).

Hahn truly out Hahned himself with this move, only the Kimbrel fiasco (trade, QO, Pollock) reached this level since extending than firing Ricky Renteria within 63 games after the Sox to date best season record and playoff performance (1-0 lead, spoiled by worthless Keuchel, than Hahn bullpen plan game with no SP beyond Cease they would not use).

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8 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

This is most logical. Eloy needs to play only one OF position to avoid adding injury risk and to minimize the communication bullshit with Robert  (Robert is responsible at times by being a Dick / cutting off balls in straight away RF). The problem with Sheets in LF is Sheets/Benintendi are both LHB. Sheets should never start vs. LHP. Ever.

RF LH Power was the logical place for FA dollars, of course Hahn went LF Podsednik power, though without the speed (46 SB every 162 Games) and at this stage 25 points below Podsednik’s career OPS (.719).

Hahn truly out Hahned himself with this move, only the Kimbrel fiasco (trade, QO, Pollock) reached this level since extending than firing Ricky Renteria within 63 games after the Sox to date best season record and playoff performance (1-0 lead, spoiled by worthless Keuchel, than Hahn bullpen plan game with no SP beyond Cease they would not use).

Who would have imagined Chris Bassitt one day would have a $21 million per season price tag? 

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10 hours ago, JoeC said:

I am in the “trade someone to make people able to fit positions they are capable of playing” camp. Quit this shuffling around.

This is exactly what should happen. Players play better when they go out everyday to the same position. This is what the great teams in baseball do.

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13 hours ago, tray said:

Vaughn cannot cover the outside part of the plate after his big leg kick. Even though Burger is not fast, he is faster than Vaughn on the bases, and that makes a difference. Burger can cover the entire plate and hits more HR than AV. IMO, Jake beat the pants off Vaughn for the full-time 1B job. Vaughn was touted as being a great outfielder last season, especially by Steve Stone. Now he can platoon in RF with Sheets. It would be foolish to risk injury to Burger by putting him in the outfield when Vaughn has already shown he can play out there and avoid injury.

Seriously this makes a lot of sense. Jake Burger to first base and Andrew Vaughn to the outfield.

- Burger is 6'2" vs. Vaughn 6'0", so Jake is technically the more natural and taller size for first base.

- Since Jake is a third baseman, he is much stronger and more comfortable at grounders than Andrew. Imo I think Jake could play first much better defensively than Andrew.

- Vaughn played the outfield last year. Yes he wasn't great, but he wasn't bad either and did a pretty decent job. At least Andrew didn't get injured playing the outfield. We need both bats in the lineup. 

- Playing Burger at first obviously gives a greater chance for Burger to stay healthy, as opposed to going to the outfield. Likewise then you keep Eloy at DH and he has a better chance of staying healthy as well.

- One big benefit of Burger at first is, you might just find out he is better than Vaughn for playing first base going forward. If that is the case, then you can consider trading Vaughn at the deadline and get some decent prospects back. If Vaughn is still hitting good around the TDL, then his value should go up because he shows his versatility as a first baseman and outfielder along with being a run producer.

Again this whole debate has us arguing about who to move around out of their natural position. Once again, this is a direct result from loser Rick Hahn. He drafted Sheets with the 49th overall pick in 2017 and Vaughn in 2019 with the #3 overall pick. This was flat out dumb when we still had a Jose Abreu. 

 

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