CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: I just don't think prospects like Rushing get moved for rentals anymore. But the Dodgers #1 prospect is also a catcher and Rushing may not be that good defensibly. I mentioned Rushing as a target weeks ago. Also from my rock and roll roots , "Get The Knack" would be awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: But the Dodgers #1 prospect is also a catcher and Rushing may not be that good defensibly. I mentioned Rushing as a target weeks ago. Also from my rock and roll roots , "Get The Knack" would be awesome. Cartaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I think you HAVE to go into your trade considerations, looking at a C for #1 need. Problem is, there are really only 1 team that has catcher prospects in the top 10 at the position, and they (LAD) have 2 in the top 10. We have the best SP option on the block, so a good GM (not Rick Hahn), would START at Rushing, and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 10 minutes ago, Capn12 said: I think you HAVE to go into your trade considerations, looking at a C for #1 need. Problem is, there are really only 1 team that has catcher prospects in the top 10 at the position, and they (LAD) have 2 in the top 10. We have the best SP option on the block, so a good GM (not Rick Hahn), would START at Rushing, and go from there. As I get older I think focusing on a catcher with a good bat is a total waste of resources. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Jerksticks said: As I get older I think focusing on a catcher with a good bat is a total waste of resources. Perhaps, but right now, we don't even have a catcher with a bad bat. We have a catcher with an abysmal bat, and still need another guy there. Why not try to maximize output out of the position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just a caution about the Dodgers. We need to get it right this time. https://dodgersway.com/posts/does-miguel-vargas-demotion-suggest-dodgers-farm-system-is-overrated-01h50qf2721c "Who has debuted for the Los Angeles Dodgers since 2018 that has stuck with the roster and has been consistently successful? Every single year, the Dodgers' farm system is ranked among the best in the sport, yet it feels like there's been very little tangible evidence at the big-league level to suggest that claim's validity. And the fact that they've traded guys like Yordan Alvarez, Oneil Cruz and Josiah Gray -- all of whom are better than most of what the Dodgers have produced themselves -- perhaps speaks volumes. The Dodgers might possess an uncanny ability to resurrect talent or maximize a player's usage to create positive production, but the track record after the debuts of Corey Seager, Cody Bellinger, Walker Buehler and Julio Urías is quite bad. This year was supposed to represent a fearful youth movement that was ready to set the Dodgers up for the next decade. Hello Miguel Vargas, James Outman, Bobby Miller, Michael Busch, Gavin Stone, Emmet Sheehan and Jonny DeLuca! Well, the headliner of that group in Vargas was optioned to Triple-A on Sunday because of how bad he's been. That's been the the most glaring news out of any of the Dodgers' top prospects' struggles this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Dodgers prospects get over inflated and over valued bc they are the Dodgers, just like the Yankees. We absolutely should not be going after a C bc they are a dime a dozen. SP and 2B are where LAD can help us. Vargas is a rookie going through normal rookie struggles so he is a must target if we can get him. Then for SP we will have to avoid the over inflated guys like Stone and Sheehan. We need to focus not on rankings but play and scouting or we will get burned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 3 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Dodgers prospects get over inflated and over valued bc they are the Dodgers, just like the Yankees. We absolutely should not be going after a C bc they are a dime a dozen. SP and 2B are where LAD can help us. Vargas is a rookie going through normal rookie struggles so he is a must target if we can get him. Then for SP we will have to avoid the over inflated guys like Stone and Sheehan. We need to focus not on rankings but play and scouting or we will get burned If we're relying on our own scouting from this front office, we're in trouble. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Get BA’s list of top Dodgers prospects and throw darts at it. I trust that far more than Hahn picking himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 48 minutes ago, Capn12 said: Perhaps, but right now, we don't even have a catcher with a bad bat. We have a catcher with an abysmal bat, and still need another guy there. Why not try to maximize output out of the position? Cuz he’s only gonna play like 120 games or whatever. Use Gio go get a stud who plays 162 or takes the ball every 5th day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 15 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said: If we're relying on our own scouting from this front office, we're in trouble. Its not as bad as you would think. 7 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said: Get BA’s list of top Dodgers prospects and throw darts at it. I trust that far more than Hahn picking himself. Biggest mistake bc they are far worse as I posted above. Getting say a Gavin Stone or Emmet Sheehan back would on paper look great but actually be an easy fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Polar Bear said: Vargas and Kopp for Gio would be a great return here and helps the Sox a lot. Id like a little better SP than Kopp but for a 3 month rental this fits both teams imo. I also wonder if Vargas could be had given he’s really struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 14 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I also wonder if Vargas could be had given he’s really struggling Definitely have to wonder. But if there ever were a time that he could be had i think its now. You ask for Vargas and if they day no then you insist. Gio is one of the top players available this year at the deadline meaning we are dealing from a definite position of power imo and they need to capitalize on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, SCCWS said: Just a caution about the Dodgers. We need to get it right this time. https://dodgersway.com/posts/does-miguel-vargas-demotion-suggest-dodgers-farm-system-is-overrated-01h50qf2721c "Who has debuted for the Los Angeles Dodgers since 2018 that has stuck with the roster and has been consistently successful? Every single year, the Dodgers' farm system is ranked among the best in the sport, yet it feels like there's been very little tangible evidence at the big-league level to suggest that claim's validity. And the fact that they've traded guys like Yordan Alvarez, Oneil Cruz and Josiah Gray -- all of whom are better than most of what the Dodgers have produced themselves -- perhaps speaks volumes. The Dodgers might possess an uncanny ability to resurrect talent or maximize a player's usage to create positive production, but the track record after the debuts of Corey Seager, Cody Bellinger, Walker Buehler and Julio Urías is quite bad. This year was supposed to represent a fearful youth movement that was ready to set the Dodgers up for the next decade. Hello Miguel Vargas, James Outman, Bobby Miller, Michael Busch, Gavin Stone, Emmet Sheehan and Jonny DeLuca! Well, the headliner of that group in Vargas was optioned to Triple-A on Sunday because of how bad he's been. That's been the the most glaring news out of any of the Dodgers' top prospects' struggles this year. Miller has a 0.9 fWAR with only 44 IP. Keibert Ruiz was very solid in Washington last year...the second key part of the Trea Turner deal. Gavin Lux has definitely shown flashes. And no mention of Dustin May? Will Smith was drafted with the 32nd pick in the draft and now one of the 3-5 best catchers in?the game. Edited July 14 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I also wonder if Vargas could be had given he’s really struggling Maybe he needs to go back to 3B...? Middle infield is much more demanding mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Case closed. Trade him to the Dodgers. Like somebody said he'll do well on a real team. And hopefully Hahn can make a comeback and get 3 GOOD prospects, not stiffs who have no joy for the game. Cmon Hahn make some good trades. Dodgers have some decent prospects and Gio is of no value to us at least in the current state of the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I also wonder if Vargas could be had given he’s really struggling How is Vargas different from what we have? Non-selective right-handed Cuban player without a defensive position. Lotta good under the radar Dodger pitching to consider ahead of him, imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 hours ago, Timmy U said: How is Vargas different from what we have? Non-selective right-handed Cuban player without a defensive position. Lotta good under the radar Dodger pitching to consider ahead of him, imho. And what concerns me is that he's struggling to hit in LAD. We don't have the strongest track record of unlocking potential in young hitters that others couldn't do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Keibert Ruiz has been terrible in Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bmags said: Keibert Ruiz has been terrible in Washington. He was a 1.7 fWAR catcher last year. This year, not so much. But how many players on the White Sox will get to a 2 fWAR this year...other than Robert? Benintendi is on pace for a 1.7 fWAR, Burger and Zavala the next two behind him. Edited July 14 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 33 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said: And what concerns me is that he's struggling to hit in LAD. We don't have the strongest track record of unlocking potential in young hitters that others couldn't do. This is what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 hours ago, Timmy U said: How is Vargas different from what we have? Non-selective right-handed Cuban player without a defensive position. Lotta good under the radar Dodger pitching to consider ahead of him, imho. This. So many other guys I’d prefer to have than Vargas. He could end up being good but I’d prefer to diversify away from poor defensive RHH free swingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 9 hours ago, Polar Bear said: Definitely have to wonder. But if there ever were a time that he could be had i think its now. You ask for Vargas and if they day no then you insist. Gio is one of the top players available this year at the deadline meaning we are dealing from a definite position of power imo and they need to capitalize on it How is his D at 2B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 hours ago, Timmy U said: How is Vargas different from what we have? Non-selective right-handed Cuban player without a defensive position. Lotta good under the radar Dodger pitching to consider ahead of him, imho. How many players do we have with a 15% walk rate? I'd wager not many at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 28 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: This. So many other guys I’d prefer to have than Vargas. He could end up being good but I’d prefer to diversify away from poor defensive RHH free swingers. He has a 15% walk rate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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