Capn12 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The Sox would not make this deal without Grayson or Holliday. This would be a horrible return for 2.5 years of a cost controlled 4+ WAR pitcher. I don't think people understand how valuable 10 WAR is over 2 1/2 years for a team in a contention window, and how low the expected war values are for prospects 28-126. I agree, a deal doesn't happen without Grayson or Holiday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: The Sox and Orioles are exchanging names right now. The Orioles have indicated a willingness to include Holiday in the deal, but there wouldn't be any other top 100 prospects coming back to the Sox. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, DH in the NL said: Levine is on the Score after the break. I’m sure he’s got all the details for us "The Sox are talking to the Orioles" "Any names?" *reads the MLB Pipeline Top 30* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: The Sox and Orioles are exchanging names right now. The Orioles have indicated a willingness to include Holiday in the deal, but there wouldn't be any other top 100 prospects coming back to the Sox. If this were true the deal would’ve been done by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: The Sox and Orioles are exchanging names right now. The Orioles have indicated a willingness to include Holiday in the deal, but there wouldn't be any other top 100 prospects coming back to the Sox. You have sources Vision? That's almost a post hinting you know something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: The Sox and Orioles are exchanging names right now. The Orioles have indicated a willingness to include Holiday in the deal, but there wouldn't be any other top 100 prospects coming back to the Sox. If true, that's kind of the problem. Rodriguez, Kjerstad, Ortiz, Povich > Holliday and a couple non Top 100 pieces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Park Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Orioles fans seem to think that Holliday isn't going anywhere, I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The Sox would not make this deal without Grayson or Holliday. This would be a horrible return for 2.5 years of a cost controlled 4+ WAR pitcher. I don't think people understand how valuable 10 WAR is over 2 1/2 years for a team in a contention window, and how low the expected war values are for prospects 28-126. Its the best offer anyone will ever offer for Cease so 1. The Sox would and should do it Or 2. The Sox don't trade Cease and waste the money and years doing nothing bc Grayson and Holliday are more off limits than Robert Edited August 1 by Polar Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: Its the best offer anyone will ever offer for Cease so 1. The Sox would and should do it Or 2. The Sox don't trade Cease and waste the money and years doing nothing bc Grayson and Holliday are more pff limits than Robert No offer without a top 10 guy is the "best offer" someone will offer. The guys you listed would be lucky to have 10 WAR combined in their career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 22 minutes ago, T R U said: Guys, Baltimore is not desperate or in trouble. They are entering a huge window, they are loaded with talent. They don't need to blow their wad in 2023. They could make no trades right now and still be set for a while. I don't believe that they are going to panic and do something stupid. That's not how they got here. True but I wouldn't call getting Cease stupid They're already playing great baseball and most of their top prospects are in AAA but they really do need pitching. Some, perhaps even a majority of those AAA guys probably don't become solid MLB players. Cowser, great stats in AAA no doubt , but can he hit the breaking stuff in the bigs is a big question with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Merkin Fan Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 7 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: The Sox and Orioles are exchanging names right now. The Orioles have indicated a willingness to include Holiday in the deal, but there wouldn't be any other top 100 prospects coming back to the Sox. This appears to be big news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Its the best offer anyone will ever offer for Cease so 1. The Sox would and should do it Or 2. The Sox don't trade Cease and waste the money and years doing nothing bc Grayson and Holliday are more off limits than Robert Awfully confident. If you can see the future, you should buy the white sox. Should be easy if you can see the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No offer without a top 10 guy is the "best offer" someone will offer. The guys you listed would be lucky to have 10 WAR combined in their career. No one will bc Cease has been terrible every year but last season and could only get worse as the years go on. Edited August 1 by Polar Bear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Where is @macsandz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, whitesoxwinner said: Where is @macsandz Or @Pal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: True but I wouldn't call getting Cease stupid They're already playing great baseball and most of their top prospects are in AAA but they really do need pitching. Some, perhaps even a majority of those AAA guys probably don't become solid MLB players. Cowser, great stats in AAA no doubt , but can he hit the breaking stuff in the bigs is a big question with him. I don't think trading for Cease is stupid, I just don't see any reason why they should panic and overpay. They aren't under the gun here, the future is bright in Baltimore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 The dream "over pay" scenario where Hahn bundles and the O's make the call as its a sellers market. White Sox Get: Holliday, Kjerstad, Povich Orioles Get: Cease, Bummer, Middleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: No one will bc Cease has been terrible every year but last season and could only get worse as the years go on. No...just, no. Nothing that Cease has done in his career, is 'terrible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: If true, that's kind of the problem. Rodriguez, Kjerstad, Ortiz, Povich > Holliday and a couple non Top 100 pieces. O's have quantity and quality, and can give the Sox 4 quality pieces over 1 can't miss + meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Capn12 said: No...just, no. Nothing that Cease has done in his career, is 'terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 https://twitter.com/OriolesMagic23/status/1686468118497947648?t=Nn-ffZW_DCvl_s_mHFL9gg&s=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) Players being "in the lineup" doesn't bother me or tell me anything. Edited August 1 by Squirmin' for Yermin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Over a 4 ERA on his career excluding last season which is a huge outlier. No one is giving up the top prospect in baseball or the top pitching prospect in baseball (who is on the MLB team in the playoff hunt) It just won't happen, period. If it does, sign Hahn to a lifetime contract bc that's like trading Tatis for Shields 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Players being "in the lineup" doesn't bother me. Yeah until someone is traded, it's business as usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Greek-konerko said: https://twitter.com/OriolesMagic23/status/1686468118497947648?t=Nn-ffZW_DCvl_s_mHFL9gg&s=19 What is this supposed to be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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